Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:23 am

WASHINGTON - Beware, John McCain. The money comes with a price. Sure, President Bush will raise millions of dollars for your Republican presidential campaign and GOP candidates. But he'll also give you the aura of a presidency tarnished by painful gasoline prices, a sagging economy, the threat of recession, a blemished U.S. reputation around the world, turbulence in the Middle East and many more problems.

What do you think?
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:26 am

I think the people who blame all that on Bush weren't going to vote for McCain anyway. Bush also offered to campaign against McCain if it would help him more. :)
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:41 am

Devil5052 wrote:WASHINGTON - Beware, John McCain. The money comes with a price. Sure, President Bush will raise millions of dollars for your Republican presidential campaign and GOP candidates. But he'll also give you the aura of a presidency tarnished by painful gasoline prices, a sagging economy, the threat of recession, a blemished U.S. reputation around the world, turbulence in the Middle East and many more problems.
What do you think?
As much as the left want to tie McCain to President Bush I don't think it will work, McCain is considered a maverick.

The dems have to hope America fails in Iraq because as things improve pulling out would be absurd. The dems have painted themselves in a corner.

-"painful gasoline prices", News flash: the President doesn't set fuel prices.
-"threat of recession", Disagree but whats the dems plan? Raising taxes, national heath care?
-"a blemished U.S. reputation around the world ", Such a broad statement, I'm sure radical Islam hates us.
-"turbulence in the Middle East" Yea no turbulence before President Bush. Bush's fault.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:50 pm

[quote="spc
-"painful gasoline prices", News flash: the President doesn't set fuel prices.


Here's a "News Flash" for you my friend:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01842.html

This is a Washington Post (hardly a left wing paper) news article from 2005 pointing out the unprecedented secret meetings between this administration & the major oil company execs in which (I believe) the President did conspire to stiffle competition & set fuel prices...... A felony under US law! (That is the only logical interpretation of why this administration is willing to add Obstruction of Justice charges to their already long list of crimes by defying subpeanas to disclose info about these meetings.

......"Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who posed the question about the task force, said he will ask the Justice Department today to investigate. "The White House went to great lengths to keep these meetings secret, and now oil executives may be lying to Congress about their role in the Cheney task force," Lautenberg said.".....

I'm also sick & tired of certain Presidents (ie Nixon & Bush) hiding behind the "Executive Priveldge" concept to hide criminal activity. (Nixon tried to get the CIA to stop the FBI investigation of Watergate ( & would have been tried for this felony if not for Pres. Ford's pardon) & now Bush is trying to hide his felonies behind the same flimsy excuse.....I doubt that Bush will receieve a pardon from the next President though, no matter who wins)

By the way, your "News Flash" comment was uneccessary & insulting!
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: coalstoves On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:05 pm

While Governor of Texas George Bush oversaw the highest percentage of uninsured children, highest homeowners insurance rates, most greenhouse gas emissions, second highest percentage of people without health insurance, most people stripped of medicare benefits, fifth highest teen pregnancy rate, forty fourth highest homeowners shift rate (aka only four states had fewer home owners), forty forth in combined SAT scores, forty fifth in child support collections, forty eight in high school completions, last in teacher salaries and benefits, and a 30% increase in drug use.

Yup couldn't see failure as President on the horizon for this guy could ya ?
This is who you want an endorsement from ?
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:18 pm

Old news.

By Dana Milbank and Justin Blum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 16, 2005

If I were president and I were interested in a new energy policy for this country, I would want the top executives of all energy related companies to give input. That's not a felony, its common sense. You don't know what went on at that meeting anymore than I do so it's interesting to speculate but speculation just the same.
In these parts the Washington Post is considered a left leaning paper.
No news flashes needed. It's always the way that the president is blamed for a bad economy, high energy prices etc. which he does not control. They always wish they could control it but thay can't. Do you think Jimmy Carter wanted interest rates to be 18% during his term? Of course not. Now that doesn't stop them from taking credit when things look good but unfortunatley thats also largely out of their hands.
There's been turmoil in the Middle East since recorded history. I suspect there will be till the end fof recorded history. Let's just hope that's not in our lifetime.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:35 pm

coalkirk wrote:Old news.

By Dana Milbank and Justin Blum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 16, 2005

If I were president and I were interested in a new energy policy for this country, I would want the top executives of all energy related companies to give input. That's not a felony, its common sense. You don't know what went on at that meeting anymore than I do so it's interesting to speculate but speculation just the same.
In these parts the Washington Post is considered a left leaning paper.
No news flashes needed. It's always the way that the president is blamed for a bad economy, high energy prices etc. which he does not control. They always wish they could control it but thay can't. Do you think Jimmy Carter wanted interest rates to be 18% during his term? Of course not. Now that doesn't stop them from taking credit when things look good but unfortunatley thats also largely out of their hands.
There's been turmoil in the Middle East since recorded history. I suspect there will be till the end fof recorded history. Let's just hope that's not in our lifetime.



Good afternoon Coalkirk,

The fact that meetings are held between an administration & top oil company execs is fine......Going to great lengths to hide the details of these meetings is not fine. Oil Company execs have no top secret security clearance nor do they have this country's best wishes necessarily at heart. Be honest now, Bush & Cheney are both oil men.....Doesn't it smell to high heaven that they would try to keep these meetings secret?...What are they hiding?
Maybe it's just my background but I "smell a rat."
As far as the Washington Post being considered a left leaning paper, the story was not just theirs but reported in many other places.
I'll tell you what.....No matter who wins the Presidency in November (including John McCain), it'll be a breath of fresh air to get some honesty, accountability & a restoration of Checks & Ballances back in our governbment!
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:40 pm

What is the President's first responsibility?
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:41 pm

Devil,

Please don't hold your breathe waiting for some honesty, accountability & a restoration of Checks & Ballances back in our government or you'll be a blue devil! I guess I'm just cynical. It'll be interesting, that's for sure.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:43 pm

spc wrote:What is the President's first responsibility?


In my opinion to be honest & honorable! (the rest will naturaly follow)
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:49 pm

How does high oil prices help politically? The left should be happy about higher fuel prices, it creates a market for alternative fuels.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:59 pm

spc wrote:How does high oil prices help politically? The left should be happy about higher fuel prices, it creates a market for alternative fuels.


Politicaly -NO...but Bush & Cheney cant run again. Do they care that it hurts Respublicans?..No
Financialy? It'll make their (Bush & Cheney's) retirement very comfortable! (Look out Bill Gates!)

Editorial Comment: These are ruthless & unprincipled men, born to priviledge & determined to keep it that way no matter who they have to step on......Man that felt good just to say!
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:20 pm

Devil5052 wrote:
spc wrote:How does high oil prices help politically? The left should be happy about higher fuel prices, it creates a market for alternative fuels.


Politicaly -NO...but Bush & Cheney cant run again. Do they care that it hurts Respublicans?..No
Financialy? It'll make their (Bush & Cheney's) retirement very comfortable! (Look outBill Gates!)
What were fuel cost when Carter was Pres.? I know peanuts prices doubled during his term. :P You really need to study how fuel prices are set.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:27 pm

spc wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:
spc wrote:How does high oil prices help politically? The left should be happy about higher fuel prices, it creates a market for alternative fuels.


I know peanuts prices doubled during his term. :P You really need to study how fuel prices are set.


I'll be glad to study how fuel prices are set ..........as soon as we get the transcriptions of those secret White House/Oil Company Execs meetings

I don't care how high peanut prices ever are! (I don't need to buy them if their price gets to high.........I don't heat my home or drive my car using them as a fuel supply...Do you?)

"You really need to study how fuel prices are set."
I'll bite? (if you're gonna try to convince me that it is supply & demand or legitimate worldwide market forces then please explain the sudden & dramtic drop in gasoline/heating oil prices (just in the US) just before the Nov/06 elections...followed by their immediate rise right after the elections? .....& explain why the same thing is going to happen next Novemeber....as I gaze into my crystal ball. Wanna bet?)
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:11 pm

Would you guys PLEASE practice excerpting quotes?

Reading some of these posts is like unscrambling eggs!

On topic, McCain's a bona fide hawk, more of a hawk than Dubya himself. He can't escape that, so being around Bush doesn't hurt him that much with hawk voters.

On a whole host of other issues, like the economy, however, it could hurt him to be linked with the Prez. And it's already happening.
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