Finally Got the Call.

joeq wrote:I know of 3 dedicated pellet burners, (that I work with), that are no way convinced to go to coal. One of them actually burned coal in the 80s, and one of the other 2 burned wood for years B4 he got tired of the work. And then my other good friend has a combo stove that he uses for both wood and coal. He seems to be "slowly" coming around, maybe because he's just been retired the past few years, and knows how much work wood is. But he gets wood cheap or free, so he still throws it in for the quick heat. Maybe I don't have the gift of gab, or a good way to approach people to convert. So if anyone has some lines I can throw at these individuals, to convert, I'm all ears.

Joe,

Welcome them to the wisdom of the ages.

It's, history repeating itself ! Over 150 years ago, people lead very busy , labor intensive lives. Anyway they could reduce their hard work made their daily life styles better. They started getting tired of all the work of heating with wood and started replacing wood with coal.

Just point out that for the same reasons that it made sense then, it makes sense now.

Paul

Sunny Boy wrote: Joe,

Welcome them to the wisdom of the ages.

It's, history repeating itself ! Over 150 years ago, people lead very busy , labor intensive lives. Anyway they could reduce their hard work made their daily life styles better. They started getting tired of all the work of heating with wood and started replacing wood with coal.

Just point out that for the same reasons that it made sense then, it makes sense now.

Paul

Yes, but people are really brainwashed that coal = bad. Just read the article that davidmebeth3 linked to in another thread here. The whole premise is "bad for health" - of course, not based on anthracite...but it's the whole "coal = bad" current mindset in the more general population... I'm convinced that's why the guy down the street here won't even let me put coal into his coal furnace...

dj

davidmcbeth3 wrote:http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/about_us/events/seminar_ ... s/clay.pdf

Some info on coal consumption ....

[quote="dlj"
Yes, but people are really brainwashed that coal = bad. Just read the article that davidmebeth3 linked to in another thread here. The whole premise is "bad for health" - of course, not based on anthracite...but it's the whole "coal = bad" current mindset in the more general population... I'm convinced that's why the guy down the street here won't even let me put coal into his coal furnace...
dj

davidmcbeth3 wrote:http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/about_us/events/seminar_ ... s/clay.pdf
Some info on coal consumption ....

This is what gets me. Anthracite isn't new. Intelligent people already know this. Why doesn't the "experts" speak up, and state this fact to the nay sayers? Are they afraid of political repercussions?

And sometime even recycling can be not-so-green:
this morning the highway no.20 near Montréal City was closed cause a golf ball recycling shop was burning, the black cloud was like the end of the Clean World.......

joeq wrote: This is what gets me. Anthracite isn't new. Intelligent people already know this. Why doesn't the "experts" speak up, and state this fact to the nay sayers? Are they afraid of political repercussions?

Joe you answered your own question, may I give some examples: the so called experts for the most part rely on a couple things, funding, and more funding. Being a political gluteus maximus smoocher ensures a life of leisure and financial security which can be passed from generation to generation.

michaelanthony wrote:

joeq wrote: This is what gets me. Anthracite isn't new. Intelligent people already know this. Why doesn't the "experts" speak up, and state this fact to the nay sayers? Are they afraid of political repercussions?

Joe you answered your own question, may I give some examples: the so called experts for the most part rely on a couple things, funding, and more funding. Being a political gluteus maximus smoocher ensures a life of leisure and financial security which can be passed from generation to generation.

There is not a lot of data available for anthracite. It's all available for Bituminous. The majority of coal burning is bit coal. I wish I had good data for anthracite. It would make things a lot easier....

dj

dlj wrote:There is not a lot of data available for anthracite. It's all available for Bituminous. The majority of coal burning is bit coal. I wish I had good data for anthracite. It would make things a lot easier....

dj

oh I'm sure all the data is locked away in a nice safe place under a cloak of darkness so none of the flock can see.

michaelanthony wrote: oh I'm sure all the data is locked away in a nice safe place under a cloak of darkness so none of the flock can see.

I don't think there is a lot of data on anthracite. It's not used very much. There is very little anthracite in the world compared to bituminous or other lower level coals. The real wide spread industrial usage of coal is bit coal, not anthracite.

dj

dlj wrote:

michaelanthony wrote: oh I'm sure all the data is locked away in a nice safe place under a cloak of darkness so none of the flock can see.

I don't think there is a lot of data on anthracite. It's not used very much. There is very little anthracite in the world compared to bituminous or other lower level coals. The real wide spread industrial usage of coal is bit coal, not anthracite.

dj

My post was in response to joe's query about home heating not industrial use. The federal govt gives states grants, states hand out rebates to drag in your wood burner for the new improved wood burner, and then the newer and improved pellet boiler, corn burner, high efficiency gas unit, mini splits...every stop along the way is some parasitic tree hugger with there hand out looking and getting a free ride.
A friend of mine installed 2 mini splits and had 600.00 electric bills this winter...sucka!

My local hospital installed a new pellet boiler a couple yrs ago when oil was sky high,big grant money, bet they were lucky to break even this year without factoring in the cost of the boiler and soon the price lock on the pellets runs out...oh and there was a shortage this year when oil was 2 bucks a gallon
The end justify the means when it come to the govt. providing data. If the lobbyist don't want it, you won't get it.

michaelanthony wrote: My post was in response to joe's query about home heating not industrial use. The federal govt gives states grants, states hand out rebates to drag in your wood burner for the new improved wood burner, and then the newer and improved pellet boiler, corn burner, high efficiency gas unit, mini splits...every stop along the way is some parasitic tree hugger with there hand out looking and getting a free ride.
A friend of mine installed 2 mini splits and had 600.00 electric bills this winter...sucka!

My local hospital installed a new pellet boiler a couple yrs ago when oil was sky high,big grant money, bet they were lucky to break even this year without factoring in the cost of the boiler and soon the price lock on the pellets runs out...oh and there was a shortage this year when oil was 2 bucks a gallon
The end justify the means when it come to the govt. providing data. If the lobbyist don't want it, you won't get it.

Yes, well one of the reasons I'd really like to good solid data on burning anthracite is that it can provide ammo against the govt. idiocy... I like my hand fed with no need for any kind of fans or anything to distribute the heat... Lose electric? I don't care, my heat is the same... We're in an energy transition time period, you won't know from one year to the next what the supply of a particular fuel will be - anthracite is currently an exception. Wood, pellets, oil, gas, all the mainstream fuels will be volatile in price/supply for the next -who knows how many - years... Anthracite will go there too, just not right now.... Then we'll have bit coal, but by then there will probably be newer technologies to burn it cleaner... In the end you'll have to run with the sun... I'll be dead before then...

dj

I appreciate you point of view dj, we're on the same team but a different position. I think as long as WE as individuals keep as many hands out of our pockets as we can and live a better quality life that's all we can do. I don't know when it happened but at one time the gov't worked for us, can't say that now so as far as I'm concerned if people need more proof than what you and I can show them in person and in our homes I don't think a bureaucrat will unless it is free...and then it would drive the price of coal out of sight

I think we're walking a fine line here. As mentioned on this site quite a few times in the past, we should just "shut up", and keep this little anthracite secret amongst our own little "cult", other wise the cats out of the bag. On the other hand, I want it to still be available for "at least" the next 10 or 20 years, (or more). The way the current administration is imposing these outrageous mandates, and regulations, I'm not so sure we'll even have this obtainable luxury in the future. If we could only convince Al Gore of it.

joeq wrote:I think we're walking a fine line here. As mentioned on this site quite a few times in the past, we should just "shut up", and keep this little anthracite secret amongst our own little "cult", other wise the cats out of the bag. On the other hand, I want it to still be available for "at least" the next 10 or 20 years, (or more). The way the current administration is imposing these outrageous mandates, and regulations, I'm not so sure we'll even have this obtainable luxury in the future. If we could only convince Al Gore of it.

pardon me...EFFF Al Gore!

joeq wrote:I think we're walking a fine line here. As mentioned on this site quite a few times in the past, we should just "shut up", and keep this little anthracite secret amongst our own little "cult", other wise the cats out of the bag. On the other hand, I want it to still be available for "at least" the next 10 or 20 years, (or more). The way the current administration is imposing these outrageous mandates, and regulations, I'm not so sure we'll even have this obtainable luxury in the future. If we could only convince Al Gore of it.

Its hard to say - keep quiet or get the data out there on anthracite. The way things are going it seems like the info has to get out or anthracite will be shut down as if its bituminous. Would be a shame\crime... And sure would screw up my heating plans...

dj

I concur DJ.