New Yorker WC 90
- StokerDon
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I am asuming the NewYorker doesn't have an electricly controlable draft. If you are going to run the pumps 24/7, the only other controls you need for your two heat exchanger setup is a 24V thermostat and a 24 relay for each one. This way, the thermostats only turn the blowers on and off according to heat calls.
I am not an expert on this stuff and your system is very different that mine so, I will only give advise about what I know will work.
-Don
I am not an expert on this stuff and your system is very different that mine so, I will only give advise about what I know will work.
-Don
- hotblast1357
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Yes I understand SD and I am no expert either, the Yorker has a combustion fan on it so I would consider that electrically controlled draft, yes I just need thermostats to cycle the two fans, I just figured I'd run the water constantly so that I would have quicker hot air and it wouldn't be such a shock to the boiler, the DHW and hot tub I will figure out controls for later the house and garage are my main heating concerns. I guess the other way of setting this up would be a circulator and then zone valves too each zone? But idk what's a better system and which one has more control.
- StokerDon
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Even though I am not an expert, I would bet running the pumps 24/7 is not the best way to do this heating wise but, it is a good way to keep a load on the boiler. A hand fired is not an on demand system like a stoker is. I'm not sure how you keep one of these things from overfiring. It wouldn't be a bad idea to hook one of your future zones up to a couple of radiators in the basement and hook the pump to a dump zone aquastat. You could run it that way for the first season so you get the feel for it.
-Don
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- hotblast1357
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The boiler has a 4006 I believe aquastats on it to control a dump zone, I am going to set the garage modine as the dump zone in case I have over fires.
- lsayre
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You will have them! If you do not otherwise heat your garage, why (routinely perhaps) throw away heat by directing it there?hotblast1357 wrote:The boiler has a 4006 I believe aquastats on it to control a dump zone, I am going to set the garage modine as the dump zone in case I have over fires.
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I am going to heat my garage routinely, and use it as a dump zone.
- StokerDon
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
That should work.hotblast1357 wrote:The boiler has a 4006 I believe aquastats on it to control a dump zone, I am going to set the garage modine as the dump zone in case I have over fires.
I don't think I would go with a real Modine though. All the used ones I found were old, banged up, bin in a building without heat and in need of repair. People still want $200 for them.
I bought these. The one on the left is a 50,000BTU with blower $199. The other one is an 80,000BTU $89. They make bigger ones too.
-Don
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Stokerdon, yes I have viewed the products on badgerinsulatedpipe.com and they have great pricing, I will be purchasing my heat exchanger and valves and pex from them.
I call it a modine but I don't know that I will have a actual modine, the ones on there look like grate deals but I'm worried about quality like rob has question due too them being so cheap.
Rob, I'm sure cast iron radiators are great dumps, but that would require a lot more money too heat my garage. Even if the fan on the cheaper modine is noisy, it is in the garage so I guess it's no big deal. It's claimed to be a 50,000 but heater so I think that should be enough of a dump.
I call it a modine but I don't know that I will have a actual modine, the ones on there look like grate deals but I'm worried about quality like rob has question due too them being so cheap.
Rob, I'm sure cast iron radiators are great dumps, but that would require a lot more money too heat my garage. Even if the fan on the cheaper modine is noisy, it is in the garage so I guess it's no big deal. It's claimed to be a 50,000 but heater so I think that should be enough of a dump.
- StokerDon
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Rob, I like radiators too. Now a radiator with a blower on it, that would REALY drop your boiler temp in a hurry!Rob R. wrote:Don, how is the noise/vibration from those? I have seen some that were pretty annoying.
I like massive cast iron radiators for a dump zone.
The one with the blower is very quiet. Its basicly a fan on the back, probobly something like 300 CFM or so.
-Don
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
For your garage I would go bigger than 50,000BTU. You need faster heat recovery for a garage than a house. I put a 550CFM blower behind the 80,000BTU exchanger. That put out a lot of heat.hotblast1357 wrote:Stokerdon, yes I have viewed the products on badgerinsulatedpipe.com and they have great pricing, I will be purchasing my heat exchanger and valves and pex from them.
I call it a modine but I don't know that I will have a actual modine, the ones on there look like grate deals but I'm worried about quality like rob has question due too them being so cheap.
Rob, I'm sure cast iron radiators are great dumps, but that would require a lot more money too heat my garage. Even if the fan on the cheaper modine is noisy, it is in the garage so I guess it's no big deal. It's claimed to be a 50,000 but heater so I think that should be enough of a dump.
-Don
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I agree with a standard standalone garage you do need quite a bit of heat, but my garage is a exception and I do not believe I will need that much, if the unit is truely a 50,000 unit, it should be more than plenty.
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Occasionally you can find nice radiators on Craigslist or even at the scrap yard. It would be nice to have one in the basement for a dump zone. Better to keep the wife's feet warm than to heat the garage warmer than necessary.
- hotblast1357
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This is true rob! Hopefully it won't over heat my house though, I would have to run yet another Zone and circulator though correct?
- hotblast1357
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Well I picked up a bunch of baseboard this evening for free, and am going to get more this weekend, I would say probably 100 feet total, I will probably install it in the garage, instead of a modine. What do you guys think? It is 3/4". It is older stuff but for free who cares lol I don't have all the covering for it though.