Phillips and Clark 516

deepwoods wrote:Then, in the first set of three stoves pictured above, the top right stove example depicts the back pipe curving at it's bottom into the firebox area with no external shelf or ledge visible for the pipe support. That example is probably not a base heater? What model Geneva stoves can be identified as baseheater or was it possible that several models could be ordered as baseheaters as an option?
Not trying to get off into the weeds Just trying to understand what to look for if I ever have a chance to get one of them. I have seen the rear view of William's Glenwood. Is that typically what I would look for on other brands?

Paul has described the difference between my return flue and a base heater very well. You are correct that the base of the pipe looks like it goes into the base of my Andes stove. That is because there is a check damper that goes into the ash pan area with a sliding control where the pipe base goes into the stove. That is only to bypass air flow to go up the chimney rather than go up through the coal bed. That helps to control the fire especially in high winds when the chimney is pulling harder than normal.

Randy

DW,

Wings Best 116X???? Jeepers, that's one I never heard of...... Thanks very much for the advice Who knows, may be a Wings Best is hiding somewhere close by??

..... And you can add a Herald #6 to the Wings best as another one of the Glenwood #6 look-a-likes

Herald x116, Glenwood #8, Invader 2 ( not a BB), Wings Best far right. Ignore the gasketting.

All except the Invader are world class heating stoves. The museum is open to all regulars on this board.

Not a bad idea at all, but need to save some more $ for a restored stove. In the end I can not expect a useable 100 yr. old stove to come out of someone's barn or old shed and would need Wilson's talent. I would rather enjoy polishing nickel & stove blacking but the heavy repairs are out of my league. You have offered great advice yet again.

deepwoods wrote:Not a bad idea at all, but need to save some more $ for a restored stove. In the end I can not expect a useable 100 yr. old stove to come out of someone's barn or old shed and would need Wilson's talent. I would rather enjoy polishing nickel & stove blacking but the heavy repairs are out of my league. You have offered great advice yet again.

Try contacting Wilson if you do find a stove. He has done just the welding repairs for some stove owners who want to do as much of the restoration work as their limited skills can handle.

He can also get damaged parts recast.

And he has a lot of fire brick molds to make new bricks for many different brands/models of stoves and ranges.

Paul

coalnewbie wrote:DW,

Wings Best 116X???? Jeepers, that's one I never heard of...... Thanks very much for the advice Who knows, may be a Wings Best is hiding somewhere close by??

..... And you can add a Herald #6 to the Wings best as another one of the Glenwood #6 look-a-likes

Herald x116, Glenwood #8, Invader 2 ( not a BB), Wings Best far right. Ignore the gasketting.

All except the Invader are world class heating stoves. The museum is open to all regulars on this board.

WOW!! Eye candy! Aside from the Invader these guys are all in the large firepot catagory?

Glenwood #6, Herald, Wings Best are 16" firepots and are equivalent. Glenwood #8 is an 18"

Glenwood #6 = about 75,000 BTU's

Glenwood #8 = about 95,500 BTU's

Sunny Boy wrote:

deepwoods wrote:Not a bad idea at all, but need to save some more $ for a restored stove. In the end I can not expect a useable 100 yr. old stove to come out of someone's barn or old shed and would need Wilson's talent. I would rather enjoy polishing nickel & stove blacking but the heavy repairs are out of my league. You have offered great advice yet again.

Try contacting Wilson if you do find a stove. He has done just the welding repairs for some stove owners who want to do as much of the restoration work as their limited skills can handle.

He can also get damaged parts recast.

And he has a lot of fire brick molds to make new bricks for many different brands/models of stoves and ranges.

Paul

I have been in contact with Wilson and he has offered advice on one of those far away stoves I had questions about. Most of the sellers I have tried to get detailed info from have either not replied, offered 2 word comments, or were not energetic enough to take a few extra detailed photos. Wilson has been VERY helpful to me. I have just about had it with begging people for info on inflated priced stoves that very well could turn out upon inspection to be scrap metal. Your first tip was a good one. If I happen to find a civil priced fixer upper Wilson will be the go to man for what I would need. The only thing I have fixed in my mind is a baseheater. It's what I want.

coalnewbie wrote:Glenwood #6, Herald, Wings Best are 16" firepots and are equivalent. Glenwood #8 is an 18"

Glenwood #6 = about 75,000 BTU's

Glenwood #8 = about 95,500 BTU's

A Glenwood 8 would be a fitting replacement for my Hitzer 50-93 BTU-wise? Not coal usage of course

I replaced a 50-93 with the Wings. In my simple mind the Wings had the same ourput and used far less coal. Don't get me wrong the Hitzer is a fine stove and there were no accurate experiments conducted. The #8 is just something else as any owner will tell you next only to a Red Cross Garnet #48.