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Post by ElCamMan515 » Mon. Apr. 20, 2015 10:32 am

Hi Everyone,

My grandparents just picked up a Phillips and Clark 516 stove. I have been trying to do some research on it, but have come up empty. Does anyone have any information about the stoves other than it was made in Geneva, NY.

I have not been to see the stove, but have been told it has grates and was used up until Winter 2013 when it was replaced with another unit.

O yeah... they paid $60.00 for it.

Thanks,

Tim
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Post by ElCamMan515 » Mon. Apr. 20, 2015 11:40 am

Thanks Coaledsweat

 
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Post by Pauliewog » Mon. Apr. 20, 2015 1:36 pm

This catalog may help you also.
3826986-1-167.pdf Paulie

 
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Post by ElCamMan515 » Mon. Apr. 20, 2015 2:12 pm

Thanks for the PDF. After reviewing the links, I think my grandparents may have a 616 model and read the first 6 as a 5. Again I have not seen the stove, but will go to look at this week and will post pictures. Now to convince them to switch from wood to coal....

Tim

 
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Post by Photog200 » Mon. Apr. 20, 2015 3:50 pm

I have the Geneva Oak Andes #517 and they did make a #516 as well. I will upload a couple more ads that show the other stove info.

Randy

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Post by ElCamMan515 » Mon. Apr. 20, 2015 4:19 pm

Photog - Thanks for the additional information. I questioned to my grandparents for more detail about the stove. They said that it has "515" in the top door (may of misheard them when they called me this morning) so this may mean its a Geneva Andes 515. Not sure if it is direct draft, return flue, or double heater option. I will go check it out on Thursday and post pictures of it then.

They said it appears to be in good shape with no rust. Grandmother plans to just use it for decoration (unless I can convince her otherwise).

Thanks again,

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Post by coaledsweat » Mon. Apr. 20, 2015 5:00 pm

ElCamMan515 wrote: They said it appears to be in good shape with no rust. Grandmother plans to just use it for decoration (unless I can convince her otherwise).
Not using a piece like that could be a felony! :)

 
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Post by Photog200 » Tue. Apr. 21, 2015 9:06 am

These stoves were top of the line stoves in their day. They are very well made stoves and I enjoy using mine. I have the return flue on mine and is doing a fine job of just idling along at low temps right now. It did a fine job of heating this 1100 sq. ft. house this winter as well...I love this stove. It does a decent job of burning wood too. Not as good as a woodstove of today but does a decent job.

Randy

Edit: Here is a link to the restoration thread about my stove. It also has video links toward the end of the thread that shows my stove being lit the first time.

Geneva Oak Andes Stove

 
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Post by deepwoods » Tue. Sep. 08, 2015 1:52 pm

When return flue equipped does that make it a baseheater?

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Sep. 08, 2015 2:10 pm

deepwoods wrote:When return flue equipped does that make it a baseheater?
Typically no.

Oaks are not base heaters even though both may have a "back pipe". And with both, the back pipes are separated into two halves by a vertical baffle.

The oak back pipe often sits on a base casting that does not open into a chamber under the stove. The base casting is just for support, a place for the flue gases to reverse direction, and sometimes a place to have a clean out door for the back pipe.

A base heater has a chamber with baffles under the ash pan area inside the base. The flue gases circulate down one side of back pipe, into the base chamber, around one or more baffles, and back up the other half of the back pipe to exit to the chimney.

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Post by deepwoods » Tue. Sep. 08, 2015 4:40 pm

Then, in the first set of three stoves pictured above, the top right stove example depicts the back pipe curving at it's bottom into the firebox area with no external shelf or ledge visible for the pipe support. That example is probably not a base heater? What model Geneva stoves can be identified as baseheater or was it possible that several models could be ordered as baseheaters as an option?
Not trying to get off into the weeds :D Just trying to understand what to look for if I ever have a chance to get one of them. I have seen the rear view of William's Glenwood. Is that typically what I would look for on other brands?

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Sep. 08, 2015 5:21 pm

Depends. :D

On Randy's, Geneva 517 the back pipe curves into the base, but doesn't lead into a base chamber, so it's not a base heater, it's an Oak .

In many ways, the Wings Best 116X is considered to be a copy of the Glenwood #6, except that it has a curved back pipe that looks very similar to Randy's Oak, but it is a true Base Heater because the curved pipe leads into a base chamber under the ash drawer.

If your getting confused by all the differences in these old stoves,...... welcome to the club ! :D

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Post by deepwoods » Tue. Sep. 08, 2015 5:59 pm

Wings Best 116X???? Jeepers, that's one I never heard of. Most photos I see when browsing for stoves show only the front face of a given stove. That doesnt tell a fellow much about it. It seems most of the interesting stoves are literally 300 or more miles away and without a positive ID that makes for a wasted trip.....big time. I suppose at some point I will have to become a "road warrior" to ever get a baseheater/burner. For the time being I will continue to soak up the valuable info that comes into this forum. Thanks very much for the advice :) Who knows, may be a Wings Best is hiding somewhere close by??

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Sep. 08, 2015 6:19 pm

deepwoods wrote:Wings Best 116X???? Jeepers, that's one I never heard of. Most photos I see when browsing for stoves show only the front face of a given stove. That doesnt tell a fellow much about it. It seems most of the interesting stoves are literally 300 or more miles away and without a positive ID that makes for a wasted trip.....big time. I suppose at some point I will have to become a "road warrior" to ever get a baseheater/burner. For the time being I will continue to soak up the valuable info that comes into this forum. Thanks very much for the advice :) Who knows, may be a Wings Best is hiding somewhere close by??
And you can add a Herald #6 to the Wings best as another one of the Glenwood #6 look-a-likes.

But rather than search and wonder, why not contact Wilson (screen name, wilsons woodstoves). He has a gaggle of Glenwood #6 and likely some Wings and Heralds, too. Wilson Mull, 508-763-8941


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