Projects Anyone ?

Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat. May. 30, 2015 10:49 am

So who's forgotten the last two Winters?.... :whistle: Answer: Most likely none of You ! toothy That's Good !

I figured I'd fire this one up to catch a little Summer Construction,Reconstruction or just plain old-Fashioned Design and Planning Mayhem where We're dreaming and deciding what Our next moves toward Heating Independence might be.

As for myself,I'm going to have to decide whether EFM or an AA's in my future. The magic of hand-fired heating along when the power's off still holds a hard draw. Both types might be in the cards depending on a generator set up other than my Honda 6.5KW unit's involved. Being away from Home when the weather's bad is just one of my bad habits. My job's my job,and it has it's demands during bad weather.......... Onward with Confidence,Gang ! :up:
Hambden Bob
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman 1998 Magnum Stoker
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Blower Model Coal Chubby 1982-Serial#0097
Coal Size/Type: Rice-A-Roni ! / Nut
Other Heating: Pro-Pain Forced Air


Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: Keepaeyeonit On: Sat. May. 30, 2015 3:37 pm

Well If I were in your shoes(providing the $$$ is there for this) It would be a EFM and a small backup genny (wired of course) NG (IF available) or LP so If and when you loose power It will pick up on Its own without your input. I know my insert will go 24 Hrs running fairly hot without me looking after it but will go a lot longer If I need It too, I would love too have some sort of stoker and a antique stove(still tying to get the one I want) but for now I will keep my tried and true stove.
I guess It's all personal preference on whats best for you but I know for a fact the older I get the less I want things too rely on me too stay working :lol: . Just my $.02's
Keepaeyeonit
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood #8
Coal Size/Type: Direnzo nut, Lehigh stove
Other Heating: 45 year old oil furnace,and a crappy 24 year old heat pump

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Sat. May. 30, 2015 4:06 pm

Only takes 250 watts to run the blower on an EFM. Takes 1000 to run a AA130.
Scottscoaled
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520, 700, Van Wert 800 GJ 61,53
Baseburners & Antiques: Magic Stewart 16, times 2!
Coal Size/Type: Lots of buck
Other Heating: Slant Fin electric boiler backup

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: cabinover On: Sat. May. 30, 2015 6:07 pm

Really? No wonder my electric bill is high all winter. And here I thought it was just the kids leaving every light known to man on, and the TV of course. :D
cabinover
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Hybrid Axeman Anderson 130
Baseburners & Antiques: Sparkle #12
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Buckwheat, Nut
Other Heating: LP Hot air. WA TX for coal use.

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sat. May. 30, 2015 6:33 pm

Scottscoaled wrote:Only takes 250 watts to run the blower on an EFM. Takes 1000 to run a AA130.


I know the amp draw of a stock AA130 blower, what, pray tell, is the amps on a stock EFM520 blower? Then there is the matter of how much difference in time till the heating load gets satisfied between either.
Point is, need to compare apples to apples and all that glitters is not gold. ;)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Sat. May. 30, 2015 7:43 pm

McGiever wrote:
Scottscoaled wrote:Only takes 250 watts to run the blower on an EFM. Takes 1000 to run a AA130.


I know the amp draw of a stock AA130 blower, what, pray tell, is the amps on a stock EFM520 blower? Then there is the matter of how much difference in time till the heating load gets satisfied between either.
Point is, need to compare apples to apples and all that glitters is not gold. ;)

You don't want to go there, do you?
Scottscoaled
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520, 700, Van Wert 800 GJ 61,53
Baseburners & Antiques: Magic Stewart 16, times 2!
Coal Size/Type: Lots of buck
Other Heating: Slant Fin electric boiler backup

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun. May. 31, 2015 7:59 am

Scottscoaled wrote:You don't want to go there, do you?


No, enough said. ;)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: cabinover On: Sun. May. 31, 2015 9:33 am

Let's see. 250 watts is around 2 amps and 1000 watts is 8.33 amps. I don't get the point though apparently.
cabinover
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Hybrid Axeman Anderson 130
Baseburners & Antiques: Sparkle #12
Coal Size/Type: Pea, Buckwheat, Nut
Other Heating: LP Hot air. WA TX for coal use.


Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun. May. 31, 2015 9:45 am

For grid power loss and no longer being hand fed stove now a stoker needs a backup electric source.

Perhaps the original stated watt values are skewed???
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Sun. May. 31, 2015 12:38 pm

McGiever wrote:For grid power loss and no longer being hand fed stove now a stoker needs a backup electric source.

Perhaps the original stated watt values are skewed???

Probably. I have a reputation for overstating the obvious. Why don't you post the real numbers. And how your 130k is going to satisfy a 140k load faster than a bigger output machine.
Scottscoaled
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520, 700, Van Wert 800 GJ 61,53
Baseburners & Antiques: Magic Stewart 16, times 2!
Coal Size/Type: Lots of buck
Other Heating: Slant Fin electric boiler backup

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun. May. 31, 2015 1:15 pm

No, don't want go there, remember?
Just helping *cabinover* understand clearer what was being said.

PS: I like EFMs nearly so much as you. Err I mean as you do. :)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun. May. 31, 2015 1:24 pm

The two blowers on my furnace draw a total of 5.6 amps = 672 watts in the two coldest months they pretty much run continuous 24/7. It adds about $73 dollars a month to my bill those two months (at 15 cents per KW). My water coils curb this draw and put me in the green about $25 per month. Point is, draw from the coal appliance can be pretty significant.
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Overmodified/Bored out Clayton 1537
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Awesome Size

Re: Projects Anyone ?

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Sun. May. 31, 2015 3:29 pm

My original posts were in answer to the original post about coal boilers and small genney's. EFM's have quite a lower wattage requirement than the Axeman's which would come into play with generator action. That said, I'm sure if I wasn't using an EFM, a higher quality unit like the Axeman would be in the basement. IMHO, there are no better.
Scottscoaled
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520, 700, Van Wert 800 GJ 61,53
Baseburners & Antiques: Magic Stewart 16, times 2!
Coal Size/Type: Lots of buck
Other Heating: Slant Fin electric boiler backup