Concealed Carry

Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: coalder On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:30 pm

bobok wrote:I always get a kick out of the m60 or bazooka, or F16 in the front yard argument. The liberal/progressives are afraid of the 2nd's sole intent. To protect us from a tyrannical government. Why would you be afraid of a reponsible law-abliding citizen owning ANY weapon??
Commie Cuoma here in New York, like the tyrants (both sides ) in DC are afraid of the peasants they govern, rising up. Gun restrictions are the same as if the British had told the colonist they could only have pea shooters against their muskets. BoboK


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And yes the slightest bit of research will readily reveal States with the strictest gun control, HAVE THE HIGHEST CRIME RATE PERIOD!!!!!
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:48 pm

Bobo, the point was if everyone has the right to be armed where does the armament stop? If you put a stop on something like I mentioned then all of a sudden you put restraints on the second or you made a gun law if you like. When the second was made there were limited weapons & I'll bet they never envisioned what's out there today, so simply put where & how does it stop? :idea:
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:53 pm

J F Graham wrote:And yes the slightest bit of research will readily reveal States with the strictest gun control, HAVE THE HIGHEST CRIME RATE PERIOD!!!!!


That seems to say that gun control causes crime. My position is not wth state but with inner cities where mob violence is common and becoming more so.

When I see videos of a crazy mob looting and burning I think it hard enough for police to face without the mob being armed as well. Add a pent up resentment of police for real tragedy.

As an ex policeman what is the position of national police organizations as well as most city police?
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: coalder On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:17 pm

Franco, emphatically yes, gun control "causes crime". In 1971 while attending college I did a research paper regarding gun control. My professor at that time was a retired NYC detective who was pro gun control. Through great research and after extensive media interviews with inmates, at numerous prisons, it was unanimously revealed that most cons had serious reservations of committing violent crimes in states that had "THE LEAST" gun control. Several were quoted " man we don't want to get our a$$es shot off" in states like Texas". That was 44 years ago and history still hasn't changed. Again the states with the strictest gun control " HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE OF VIOLENT CRIME". History doesn't lie.
As far as to what other police think, that is merely opinion/conjecture. Not history or facts.
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: hotblast1357 On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:37 pm

We had two inmates escape from dannemora correctional facility today, both in maximum security, they are on the loose and of coarse no one knows anything about there where abouts, I bet a lot of law abiding citizens would like to be carrying right now in case they came across these two murderers but we can't unless we have a permit that is almost impossible to get.
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:48 pm

I thought I would post this site by Oleg Volk, he does nice work, check it out if you have time..

http://www.a-human-right.com/


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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:51 pm

I couldn't get your site up grump.
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:58 pm

samhill wrote:I couldn't get your site up grump.



Works for me Sam..
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:05 pm

samhill wrote:Bobo, the point was if everyone has the right to be armed where does the armament stop? If you put a stop on something like I mentioned then all of a sudden you put restraints on the second or you made a gun law if you like. When the second was made there were limited weapons & I'll bet they never envisioned what's out there today, so simply put where & how does it stop? :idea:


Sam,
That's fallacy. The founders didn't live in a tiny time limit. They knew weapons would improve. And they didn't say that the 2nd only applied to the weapons of that time. When the 2nd was ratified there were no restrictions on what type of firearms people could own. Gun control laws are a fairly modern invention. The first national firearms act didn't happen until 1934. One of the first, NYC's Sullivan Act wasn't until 1911. So gun control laws have really only been around for less than half the time we've been a country.

In fact, many civilians during the revolutionary period owned far more lethal weapons than what most of the world's militaries were using at the time. They had rifled barreled flintlocks, which have greater range and much better accuracy than the smooth bore muskets the Continental Army, or the British Army had.

And about that time, it was required that all able bodied males between the ages of 17 and 45 arm themselves with a musket (the equivalent of modern military firearms), two flints, a bayonet, cartage box of at least 24 cartridges, ball and powder, and other military equipment to be able to spend time in the field.

So, even if you only go strictly by the "militia only" point of view of the 2nd amendment, today's "equal" to that would mean most of the males in this country would all be required to have their own M-16, or M-4, with 30 round mags, ammo, and bayonet. We'd be like Switzerland, who no country dares to mess with. Guess why ?

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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:17 pm

grumpy wrote:
samhill wrote:I couldn't get your site up grump.



Works for me Sam..



Same here. Thanks for posting that Grumpy.

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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:24 pm

Paul, the FF suggested the Constitution be updated periodically but nothing ever came of it. I believe in hind sight, they might be rolling over in their graves.
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:33 pm

Your welcome Paul. Fred, I think they got it right, however only if followed, yes rolling over, yes they are, where has America gone..
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:02 am

Fred,

Yes, they did make allowance for a method to update, but only under dire need and by the majority, not a few misguided who are bent on control of others. And it was updated when there was a great need seen to do so. The proof is that there has been very little need for change in over 200 years. And, the few changes that were made were mostly to insure freedoms, not to restrict them.

The problem we have as a nation are not in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, it's in how our society has changed in ways for the worse, not better. Changing documents that guarantee our rights by restricting our freedoms isn't going to solve any of our problems. That just shows a lack of understanding of what is really causing the problems.

After decades of work by some of the most brilliant minds of that era, I happen to think that they got it pretty well right also. There has never been an equal to those two documents in the history of the world.

Paul
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:59 am

It is my belief that we should have felon control versus gun control. However, it seems to be difficult to keep track of felons versus the law abiding citizen. Any suggestions on how to do so?
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Re: Concealed Carry

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:15 am

Yep, get our Judicial system to do it's job & stop acting like a mental health outreach, of course then there would be no need for pansy ass lawyers!
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