Delaware.Craigslist.Org I Got It.

Just brought this baby home today. This is what the previous owner had that went with the stove.
The grates look very good. un-used even. Here see. I took it out the stove to familiarize myself with it. Here is the grate inside the stove. These are the best I could get of the fire box it's kind of awkward to take the picture. This baby is deep. She definitly get a womans name. I tried to get the fire box from the bottom view. Someone said it was a "Warm Morning", so I was up half the night reading up on WM's because I knew I was going to attempt to purchase the stove today. But this is actually what I found on the stove. No. 499 KING STOVE & RANGE CO. Sheffield ALA.(ALABAMA)I can't find anything about this stove, but this is only my first day with this new info. I now understand more about this "Coal Stove Life." The kids are running around with this new slang. Saying you must, "Be About That Life." Well to be about this, "Stove Life." You must become a detective. You should have seen me checking out the stove for cracks & signs of over heating. The previous owner thought I was some kind of expert in stoves. Keep in mind I was up half the night researching Warm Morning's. So, what I was telling her was pertaining to WM stoves Anyway she was pleased that it would actually be put to use. Says she has been trying to get rid of it for two years. I am pleased with my $100.00 purchase. Now I can heat the rear of the house with coal also. After I get someone to install a chimney. (This should be fun & probably expensive too.) If my back wasn't in so much pain from transporting it. I'd do a lil' jig.

I did move the deep freezer and place the stove here. So what'll you guys think. To think that all this began with watching Williams videos. And now I'm up to two coal stoves after 1year Just need to know the name & history of the stove so I can update my profile.

Congrats!!! What I said that this was a Warm Morning "TYPE" of stove. Not a WM per se. Though the stove is similar to a WM with the huge firepot and cabinet enclosure, it doesn't appear this unit was designed to also burn bit coal.

Like I mentioned before I would line the firepot. Yes you will lose some of the volume the pot can handle but in the long run it will save you from a possible pot failure down the road. There are lots of threads here on NEPA about firepot lining. Check them out. It isn't hard to do. Just takes some time.

This stove is going to be a monster heat unit. I honestly hope your back is back in shape sooner rather than later as well! CONGRATS AGAIN! You got one heck of a stove for SHORT MONEY. I am sure "she" will serve you well!

Still up doing a bit of Bruce Wayne detective work. This what I've found. The short version.
Chronology
Key Dates:
1905: W.H. Martin, Sr., and his brother, Charles, found King Stove and Range in Sheffield, Alabama.
1918: The Martin brothers purchase a stove foundry located in Florence, Alabama, incorporating it as Martin Stove and Range Company.
1939: The Martins buy a plant in Huntsville, Alabama, which becomes Martin Stamping and Stove Company.
1966: Martin Stamping and Stove Company builds a new plant in Athens, Alabama, for the company's Electric Heater Division.
1968: The company introduces Martin Firecones.
1970: Martin begins manufacturing and marketing zero-clearance fireplaces.
1974: The three companies held by the Martins merge to become Martin Industries, Inc.
1976: Company opens its Central Administration Offices in Florence.
1977: Martin buys a plant in Americus, Georgia.
1980: Company purchases a line of dehumidifiers from McGraw Edison.
1987: Martin sells its Florence foundry to former employees and acquires the wood and gas divisions of Atlanta Stove.
1988: Company acquires NuWay Manufacturing Co.
1989: Martin acquires Filex line of metal office furniture.
1990: Company acquires Broilmaster line of gas barbecue grills and Warm Morning line of vented heaters.
1993: Martin introduces its series of vent-free gas logs and fireplaces; company sells its Americus facility and its dehumidifier line.
1994: Company introduces line of free-standing, vent-free heaters.
1995: Martin goes public with an IPO.
1996: Company acquires Hunter Energy and Technologies Inc. and Ontario Inc.
1998: Martin consolidates its manufacturing by moving part of its operation from Illinois to its plants in Athens and Huntsville.
1999: Martin sells its Ashley solid fuel heating division to United States Stove Company.

Read more: http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/45/M ... z3ciSLN1Uz

It is closely related to or some type of Warm Morning. It was a very interesting read. To see how the company came about from the early 1900's all the way til now. Still think it mat be challenging getting some replacement parts. The company has been thru so much.

Nice history lesson UDD--outstanding find.

The stove does appear to be in very good shape. It should throw plenty of heat for you.

Nice find UncleDD. What type of material is lining the fire pot? From here it looks like the fire pot has vertical ribs top to bottom to allow for heated air on top of the fire for different types of coal but also looks like one hell of a Anthracite burner. If the pot is brick lined I would be careful about adding more, (sorry Mark), don't want too much heat going up the flue, instead you want it to radiate through the steel. A benefit having the nice big protective cabinet around it, the cabinet may allow tighter tolerances during the install but please investigate.

...I year and 2 stoves... let's see, stick a fork in yah' you're done!

SWPaDon wrote:The stove does appear to be in very good shape. It should throw plenty of heat for you.

I put in a stove for a lady in Ashland and its the same exact stove. She has a two story row home with a living room, dining room, kitchen and three bedrooms and a bath upstairs. The stove sits in the dining room which just happens to be the same room the stairs are in for the second floor. Before I put it in she was spending 400-500 a month trying to heat her place with electric baseboard heaters. After I put it in she heated her entire house for a 5 gallon bucket of pea coal a day. Coal in our area is $170 ton. Her heating cost went to about $125 a month.

It'll do a lot more than you think

you can keep pea coal from running thru those grates ? good to know, thanks.

UncleDoDat wrote:
The grates look very good. un-used even. Here see. I took it out the stove to familiarize myself with it.

I don't know nuffin' about that stove.....but if'n it was me, I'd get some spare grates recast before you put it into service.

Pancho wrote:

UncleDoDat wrote:
The grates look very good. un-used even. Here see. I took it out the stove to familiarize myself with it.

I don't know nuffin' about that stove.....but if'n it was me, I'd get some spare grates recast before you put it into service.

I would measure the diameter of the grates, write it on the back of the stove with perminent marker. You can always check http://www.woodmanspartsplus.com/ might be cheaper and easier than recast...my $ .02.

Pancho wrote:

UncleDoDat wrote:
The grates look very good. un-used even. Here see. I took it out the stove to familiarize myself with it.

I don't know nuffin' about that stove.....but if'n it was me, I'd get some spare grates recast before you put it into service.

Yes !

And save the original grate only for use as a pattern for future recasting needs.

Paul

michaelanthony wrote:Nice find UncleDD. What type of material is lining the fire pot? From here it looks like the fire pot has vertical ribs top to bottom to allow for heated air on top of the fire for different types of coal but also looks like one hell of a Anthracite burner. If the pot is brick lined I would be careful about adding more, (sorry Mark), don't want too much heat going up the flue, instead you want it to radiate through the steel. A benefit having the nice big protective cabinet around it, the cabinet may allow tighter tolerances during the install but please investigate.

...I year and 2 stoves... let's see, stick a fork in yah' you're done!

It seem to be regular fire brick. If you say they are vertical ribs then that's what I'll call them also. They are in such good shape I couldn't see why it would need to be lined more, however when the brick does start to fade away I am sure getting that same vertical rib will probably be challenging to obtain. Speaking of burning different types of coal. What's the deal with bituminus coal being so much cheaper than anthracite. Makes me want to try some bit coal for this baby & Mr. Herald. Clearance looks to be 18in in the rear & 12in on the sides from my investigation.

blrman07 wrote:

SWPaDon wrote:The stove does appear to be in very good shape. It should throw plenty of heat for you.

I put in a stove for a lady in Ashland and its the same exact stove. She has a two story row home with a living room, dining room, kitchen and three bedrooms and a bath upstairs. The stove sits in the dining room which just happens to be the same room the stairs are in for the second floor. Before I put it in she was spending 400-500 a month trying to heat her place with electric baseboard heaters. After I put it in she heated her entire house for a 5 gallon bucket of pea coal a day. Coal in our area is $170 ton. Her heating cost went to about $125 a month.

It'll do a lot more than you think

Yes I am expecting great things from this stove. Which is actually a King Wood/Coal Circulator What ever that is. I can not find one picture of the thing on the whole world wide web. So a manual is going to be out of the question.

KingCoal wrote:you can keep pea coal from running thru those grates ? good to know, thanks.

I had that same thought about Mr. Herald when I went to purchase a few bags from my local dealer and all he had was pea coal. That was the start of spring and he stated that pea coal wouldn't burn as hot as the bigger sizes coals and that what he sales around that time of the year. But once I got a fire started and there were hot coals there to stop the pea coal from running thru the grates. I'm thinking that the same would apply here. But I plan on getting 4tons of nut coal this year. I ran out too fast last season.

Pancho wrote:

UncleDoDat wrote:
The grates look very good. un-used even. Here see. I took it out the stove to familiarize myself with it.

I don't know nuffin' about that stove.....but if'n it was me, I'd get some spare grates recast before you put it into service.

Pancho, OMG! It has been like pulling teeth getting info on this thing. I think I have found a stove part website that has the same grate for almost $100 bucks. So, yes, until last night I knew very little about this stove or circulator. Not many people must have brought these. They sure aren't pretty, but I'm expecting it to be a heat monster. I'm only attempting to heat 4 rooms in the rear of the house.

Martin sold nothing but solid fuel heaters in the common sizes from the mid 30's thru '66. you can be sure MANY of them were sold and used no doubt mostly in the south.

many of them were probably commonly called WM stoves too, because of all the obvious similar features. just like this one first was here on the forum.

you have found more info and timeline on this company than I have ever seen about either Locke Stove or Warm Morning. I have never seen a manual on any of those stoves before the Model 400.

steve

on another note.

when considering getting or recasting the round grate and the center draw fork is the issue of the grate support ring that they sit in.

this piece is the MOST critical to get copied and the one that is going to cause you the most problem.

in order to get it out you will have to take the top of the stove barrel off. then VERY carefully loosen those fluted bricks from one another and take them out. you will then be able to lift out the ring.

the deal here is, the molds for that ring ( and all the similar stoves ) are gone and you will never be able to buy them directly, only recasts arranged yourself. the round grate and center draw may be the same size as some of the copies of the WM parts still available as has been stated.

steve

KingCoal wrote:
you have found more info and timeline on this company than I have ever seen about either Locke Stove or Warm Morning. I have never seen a manual on any of those stoves before the Model 400.

steve

I do love to research.

KingCoal wrote:on another note.

when considering getting or recasting the round grate and the center draw fork is the issue of the grate support ring that they sit in.

this piece is the MOST critical to get copied and the one that is going to cause you the most problem.

in order to get it out you will have to take the top of the stove barrel off. then VERY carefully loosen those fluted bricks from one another and take them out. you will then be able to lift out the ring.

the deal here is, the molds for that ring ( and all the similar stoves ) are gone and you will never be able to buy them directly, only recasts arranged yourself. the round grate and center draw may be the same size as some of the copies of the WM parts still available as has been stated.

steve

Yes, I see your point. I can just feel the frustration that would ensue if the grate support was to fail. But the first thing that comes to mind is if some sites sale the grate as I have seen on some websites. Wouldn't they also have the grate support. I don't know I never had anything casted or recasted for that matter. Just seems like it would be easier to purchase if at all possible. But if it's cheaper to re-cast. I will definitely find out who, where & how much to re-cast the grate. Now the grate support I would definitely rather buy first than to have to open the stove up dismantle the fire brick to remove it to have it re-casted. But then again there's not much to do in Dover when NASCAR or FireFly is not here. So I can see me getting board & taking it apart. Heck I'm just about tempted to take it out the jacket now to get a look at the outside of the fire box. Just to make sure there has been no over heating. That would be anytime soon that monster has my back in real bad shape. Thinking I need at least two more days.