Crane 404 find

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: alpineboard On: Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:12 pm

Thanks for the compliments.
Ok, I am looking at the stove more closely, now that is cleaned up. And I am seeing that the left and right sidewalls ( towards the front direction) are a double walled construction with pins used as a fixed reference for consistency during the fabrication. The rear sidewalls, presumably are where the air chamber is for the blower air movement (as seen where the blower slots are). My question for anyone, (Doug maybe), and my presumption is, why the double wall in the front ? ... because that front double wall volume is an open convective flow to the rear wall air blower chamber volume...? So the complete side, both front and rear are connected to the air blower volume. Why else would that front area of the sidewall be a double wall? Also looking at the interior fabrication, the inside has a weld seam at this front/rear sidewall junction, if that fact helps with any search of knowledge.
The reason that I am asking this, is that "IF" this is true, that the total sidewall is one complete air chamber for the blower, "using a blower would be more advantageous." thanks for any feedback, r

One more item of question, if this front sidewall double walled volume is connected or not connected to the blower air, I see that some have added a secondary air input at this area of concern. So I think this topic needs to be addressed, one way or another.
alpineboard
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert 600
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Tarm 202
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman HXL, Crane 88, Crane 404
Other Heating: Solar

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: coalvet On: Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:24 pm

Nice find with that 404! I have a variable speed blower on my 404 and I seldom if ever use it. I found that if you're running the stove pretty low the blower actually cools the fire pot down to the point where you end up with dead spots in the back corners of the coal bed. I wouldn't bother with a blower unless you think you need one.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane Model 404, Harman MK I
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: NG Boiler

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:45 pm

We seldom use the variable speed blower on ours,it is handy for getting the heat to the other end of the room quicker,but we found that after the stove is heating for a few days the fan seems to accomplish nothing. I do like the fan for the "oops,got the stove temp a bit high",turn the fan on & cool the stove a bit quicker towards more normal temps.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: alpineboard On: Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:05 pm

First lite with some wood, the stove heats up very quickly on the top. I threw a little coal on and this coal lit very easily. I am thinking , to use an incense to see what kind of air flow goes into the air blower hole, as leaving it open with no blower, this hole may be all that is needed, for convection flow.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert 600
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Tarm 202
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman HXL, Crane 88, Crane 404
Other Heating: Solar

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: coalfan On: Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:29 pm

looking very ,very good nice job !!!!
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Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:03 pm

I doubt that you will find air "circulating" thru the stove walls via the empty fan mounting hole. The 404 radiates the heat very well,& at least with ours we see average stack temps around 130* or lower. I didn't find any benefit for heating efficiency by listening to the fan running. Very nice fire glow viewing in your pics & that at this time of yr. :)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: alpineboard On: Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:51 am

When I was searching about 404's I saw these grates on Ebay, they are probably still out there for sale, as the buy it now price was approx. $300, But I am not sure on the deal if it was at bid if you want price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crane-coal-stov ... 35ecd9df45
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert 600
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman HXL, Crane 88, Crane 404
Other Heating: Solar

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:13 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:My wife is the cook,i am the one who tends the stove.It is a good stove to do some cooking on,just takes more watching of the food than a regular stove &/or a coal range would.


When November gets here we need to talk about that aspect of cooking on stove top. Using less propane would be nice and looking into running stove top on a 20 lb. tank and regulator to avoid tank rental too.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:30 am

alpineboard wrote:First lite with some wood, the stove heats up very quickly on the top. I threw a little coal on and this coal lit very easily. I am thinking , to use an incense to see what kind of air flow goes into the air blower hole, as leaving it open with no blower, this hole may be all that is needed, for convection flow.


Last year I stumbled across a blower for a 404 and put it on and the most I got out of it was a higher power bill and a noise though not very much noise. It did get me a tiny bit and only ended up running it later if outside temps less than -15F so only a few days. When I ran it for a whole month power bill went up the same amount as buying 5 bags of coal that it did not save but on the very cold nights spared me from running silly high stove temps. This year I am going to hold off longer before lighting and shoot for 70 rather than 74 that feels so good plus use the window film that skipped last year but usually do. I have never run as cold as mentioned here with the 350 to 400 that might be at the beginning and end but not Jan and Feb not going to happen. 500-550 might be closer to reality for me. If and when I torch the fire pot will make a frame that will take half thickness brick or mold in one and never think about it again.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: alpineboard On: Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:25 pm

here is the line up. left to right, 44 , 88 with blower shroud, and the 404
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert 600
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Tarm 202
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman HXL, Crane 88, Crane 404
Other Heating: Solar

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:36 pm

If you also have 3 chimneys you are 1 lucky person. :)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:31 am

Lighting mine this morning as the 404 will do something useful as in 40's and looking to 30's tonight.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane 404 find

PostBy: dcrane On: Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:20 pm

wow...nice find alpine! $75 bucks... are you kidding me :lol: I can almost scrape em for that! LOL
did I send you any wooden handles? the fact you notice that "swirl" before the hot exhaust fumes exit the flue is very good (as im sure you know... its supposed to do that ;) ) the longer, the more the swirl... the better (on some stoves you will even notice a tornado effect of black burn marks along the upper chamber on either side of the baffle (its a good thing!)

I missed so much!!!
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404