Making Room for Surdiac Gotha 513

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Post by ElCamMan515 » Sat. Jan. 16, 2016 10:15 am

I covered the baro this morning with alum foil and it has been running steady at around 300 degrees for about 4 hours. I have the dial set at 1.5 as OATs are above 30 and no need to waste coal and heat ourselves out of the house. IATs are between 72-78 depending on what room you are in on the 1st floor. Will report back tonight once temps start to drop and I turn the stove up.

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Post by ElCamMan515 » Sun. Jan. 17, 2016 8:09 pm

Weekend Update.

Stove has run flawlessly all weekend with the baro covered. Since OATs were in the 30s, I did not run the stove hard, dial was set at 2 and heat exchanger stayed around 300 degrees. MPD was set to have a -.04 draft and stove has just been steady all weekend. I did riddle the stove every 6-7 hours, I could of easily gone longer, but inexperience got the best of me. Stove is all set for the night. So far the Surdiac is proving to be a great supplement heating source to the K-lite in the basement. The K-lite has run a lot less, and house is a nice even temperature throughout.

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Post by joeq » Sun. Jan. 17, 2016 8:57 pm

Good thing too. Next week it is projected winter will hit, and you'll really feel the benefits then. Send some of that heat this way, will ya? I'm missing it, and the dancing blues about now. :(

 
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Post by confedsailor » Sun. Jan. 17, 2016 10:32 pm

Glad your stove is doing well. I worked thru my teething troubles and I'm getting the best performance I've ever seen. I'm Turning the little guy down to .5-.75 on the knob and he'll chug along 8,10, almost 12 hours without needing attention. During Christmas when it was 65-70 but wet, I was holding a fire on a pinch of coal a day, I liked how it kept the house from getting clammy.

 
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Post by ElCamMan515 » Mon. Jan. 18, 2016 9:10 am

Woke up this morning to a -3 degree OAT with the windchill, house was still 72 degrees with the Surdiac and K-lite running. Both stoves are working great in unison, and the K-lite is barely running, t-stat does not move far from 70 degrees, heat calls only last 30 minutes at max. I bought and installed the Surdiac as supplemental heat to the K-lite when temps drop below 15 degrees, but it appears the K-lite is supplementing the Surdiac with heat calls. :oops: Surdiac has been set to same settings it ran at all weekend. Hope to have a slow burn all day.

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Post by joeq » Mon. Jan. 18, 2016 4:46 pm

Sounds like they both make a great tag team. But you have the benefit of "seeing" the burn with the Surdiac. :)

 
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Post by Belgianburner » Thu. Jan. 21, 2016 6:01 am

Tim, do you check the temp anywhere besides the heat exchanger? I'd be curious to know the temp of the stove and the stovepipe above the dampers. Also, with respect to all members and opinions, the Surdiac "expert" at Myers* insists you need both a manual & baro dampers. My first chimney didn't function well without a baro, but even with a reliable draft, they earn their keep on windy days (just my .02 of course). *I assume Joe told you about Myers?


 
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Post by joeq » Thu. Jan. 21, 2016 6:27 am

I believe Tim does have both a baro "and" an MPD BB. And Myers does have some parts and experience with these stoves.

 
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Post by ElCamMan515 » Thu. Jan. 21, 2016 6:56 am

I have both a MPD and a Baro, on warm days, like the past weekend, I covered the baro and the stove ran fine with a draft of -.04. I did uncover the baro Sunday night and it is set to maintain a -.04 draft and does a good job at keeping the draft controlled during the windy nights we had this week.

Flue temps at the thimble have been ranging between 140-150 degrees per the Harbor Freight IR Temp gun.

Joe did tell me about Meyers in PA and I have called them on a few occasions to price out some internal parts, i.e. hopper, grates etc.

I will have to admit during the early part of the week I fell victim to rookie ash cleaning mistakes, I did not riddle the stove enough at tending times to clear the ash and the stove started to build up ash around the fire box on top of the coal, after some heavy riddling I was able to clear a lot of the ash and had a successfully 10 hour burn yesterday. I riddled and filled the stove at 6am yesterday, wife arrived at home a little after 4pm to a fire that was starting to die down but was very recoverable. The dial was set at 3. She said that the hopper was just under 1/2 full when she got home.

I normally tend the stove around 10pm at night before heading to bed, but the night tending schedule varies. I get up at some point in the night when my wife, who is 6 months pregnant gets up to use the facilities and I go down stairs, do a light riddle and head back to bed to keep the heat output up during the over night hours.

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Post by Belgianburner » Thu. Jan. 21, 2016 9:11 am

Yes, I realize you have both types of dampers; my comments were in response to an earlier post about an MPD being unnecessary. Regardless of where my thermostat is set, the stack temp at the thimble runs up to 50 degrees warmer with the MPD wide open, and you can feel that the stove is giving off less heat (I would suppose because the extra heat is going out the chimney). Hate to waste any. As always, I respect other opinions on the subject. Major snowstorm a'comin' boys....bring some extra fuel inside.....

 
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Post by ElCamMan515 » Thu. Jan. 21, 2016 9:48 am

What are your stove and thimble temps during a full burn BB?

 
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Post by Belgianburner » Thu. Jan. 21, 2016 12:46 pm

Right now the stove is 300+, heat exchanger is 220, and pipe at thimble is 155. But I've measured pipe temps above 200 with MPD full open. I don't have a manometer (yet!). 32 Oats & 74 in stove room. We're heading south to DE tomorrow so I'll check that stove (same model) after I light it.

 
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Post by ElCamMan515 » Thu. Jan. 21, 2016 1:01 pm

BB,
where are you taking your stove temp measurements?

 
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Post by Belgianburner » Fri. Jan. 22, 2016 6:49 am

Tim, using an IR gun, pointed at stove top or glass, exchanger casing top, and top of collar that fits into the thimble. Of course temps vary a bit every time.

 
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Post by joeq » Fri. Jan. 22, 2016 6:10 pm

Hey Tim, if you really want to see some temps on your stove, aim your I/R gun above, and behind the heat exchanger and below the top grate, where you can see the top and back of the cast iron firebox. Kinda behind the top heavy load door for the hopper. Taking temps on the top of the stove, where the hopper is, doesn't do much good, cause the loaded hopper insulates the top door. Maybe I can find a picture. I'll be back.
Here it is.
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After seeing and reading 300-400° temps for a few winters, it was surprising to be able to max out the gun a few times :)


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