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Post by SWPaDon » Sun. Jul. 12, 2015 8:41 pm

lowfog01 wrote:When all was said and done the Homeschoolers won the competition hands down. Their boat while not as pretty was the only one to complete the course. DK said several of the better teams yesterday tweaked their boats overnight and ended up with worse runs today.

The winners took home scholarships of a couple of thousand dollars and a good feeling.

If you found this competition interesting check back in Sep when they will be holding the submarine competition in San Diego.

Take care, Lisa
Thanks for the update. I couldn't watch it all as I had other engagements, but what I saw was very interesting.

Woulda been really cool if the could have used the quad copters during the competition. Hopefully next year as they said.

It was fun watching it, and I thank you for sharing the link.

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Post by franco b » Sun. Jul. 12, 2015 11:24 pm

That the homeschoolers won seems significant to me. And surprising since I think they don't have the resources of school labs and workshops.

 
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Post by jpete » Sun. Jul. 12, 2015 11:33 pm

franco b wrote:That the homeschoolers won seems significant to me. And surprising since I think they don't have the resources of school labs and workshops.
You'd be surprised. I didn't watch the competition but my boys were on a LEGO robotics team for a while. One of the parents was an engineer and taught the class.

The group we belong to has recently acquired an old church and will be offering regular classes in all kinds of things. Most public schools are cutting things while our home school group is growing.

 
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Post by franco b » Sun. Jul. 12, 2015 11:37 pm

Good thing Ben Franklin never went to school, we probably would never have heard of him.

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 7:35 am

i need to make a correction - the Homeschoolers finished 4th overall. DK explained it when he got home last night. The Homeschoolers did physically finish first in the obstacle course but they lost points for not completing the task.

DK said the requirement was that they visit the obstacle AND send specific communication to the judges. They failed to do that. However, the 4th place finish still put them in the scholarship money.

No worries, I'm sure we will be hearing from those students next year. Lisa

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 7:47 am

franco b wrote:That the homeschoolers won seems significant to me. And surprising since I think they don't have the resources of school labs and workshops.
The team addressed that in their introduction video. In their own words, they "improvised." Their backyard pool was their lab. They used balloons secured to the bottom as buoys. They also had commercial sponsors as did the college teams. DK's conversation with them showed they had done the work and could speak well about the experience; better then some of the college kids he spoke with in fact.

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Post by lowfog01 » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 8:00 am

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franco b wrote:That the homeschoolers won seems significant to me. And surprising since I think they don't have the resources of school labs and workshops.
You'd be surprised. I didn't watch the competition but my boys were on a LEGO robotics team for a while. One of the parents was an engineer and taught the class.

The group we belong to has recently acquired an old church and will be offering regular classes in all kinds of things. Most public schools are cutting things while our home school group is growing.
Homeschooling is growing here in Fairfax County which is supposedly the 4th highest ranked school system in the country. This is especially true with the School Board's recent decision to start transgender education in elementary school despite the overwhelming disapproval of the parents. In fact after that vote, the school board clearly stated the parents' opinion didn't count. They (the school board) were the professionals. That's why we started homeschooling in the first place 22 years ago. Nothing has changed except homeschooling has became a viable alternative to government schools. Lisa


 
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Post by franco b » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 10:45 am

lowfog01 wrote:Homeschooling is growing here in Fairfax County which is supposedly the 4th highest ranked school system in the country. This is especially true with the School Board's recent decision to start transgender education in elementary school despite the overwhelming disapproval of the parents. In fact after that vote, the school board clearly stated the parents' opinion didn't count. They (the school board) were the professionals. That's why we started homeschooling in the first place 22 years ago. Nothing has changed except homeschooling has became a viable alternative to government schools. Lisa
Wow! And double Wow! I have always thought of homeschooling as teaching reading riting and rithmetric, the three Rs, but now you are into college level.

A great subject for a study by a social biologist or anthropologist.

Jpete's mention of the acquisition of a building seems to point to an evolution towards a private school and something beyond simple homeschooling of basics.Your use of the word "alternative" begins to fit better. Public schools with increasing emphasis on political correctness, alternative history, and rejection of science in human development are bound to fall behind those that emphasize the individual rather than the group.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 11:15 am

Public or Home schooling is no more then the powers to be teaching what THIER beliefs are. No more, no less. AND Richard, you are VERY right. Soooo, who's right & who's wrong. Home school is about Individual parents teaching their individual children their interpretations of the subject matter. Parents being very closely involved in it all is still the bottom line.

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 12:44 pm

franco b wrote:Wow! And double Wow! I have always thought of homeschooling as teaching reading riting and rithmetric, the three Rs, but now you are into college level.
Yes, my kids and the majority of homeschoolers we associated all started their 2 year degrees at the Community College when they turned 16. They do not have High School Diplomas but they have an Associates Degree and a Bachelor Degree from the University
of their choice.

My middle daughter chose to finish her Bachelor Degree completely on line. It is from a fully accredited University that the DoD uses for their long distance learning. Her cost for this degree was under 15,000. The independent learning we practiced in homeschooling as teenagers enabled her to excel with distance learning.
franco b wrote:Jpete's mention of the acquisition of a building seems to point to an evolution towards a private school and something beyond simple homeschooling of basics.Your use of the word "alternative" begins to fit better. Public schools with increasing emphasis on political correctness, alternative history, and rejection of science in human development are bound to fall behind those that emphasize the individual rather than the group.
Some homeschool groups have evolved toward group learning but that gets tricky. As you may have guessed, homeschoolers are closely watched by the educational establishment and if not careful can find themselves in court for not having the proper certification of a teacher. Our group always maintained a clear distinct line between reading, writing and math which are required by the state and enrichment activities which are not. The enrichment activities such as art, music, engineering, etc. are led by parents who are also leaders in the field. For instance, my kids were in a Wind Symphony which was conducted by the retired Director of County Public School Music. How are you going to beat that experience? The Daytona Beach Homeschoolers are another example. Their dad is a PhD in engineering. You're not going to get that attention in a Public School.

Here's a thought for you - is the current 6 hours a day, 5 days a week school we currently have going the way of the dinosaur? Is the advent of online learning and Skype capabilities going to change the face of education in America? Some of the teachers I talk with seem to think so. I guess we'll see.

 
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Post by franco b » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 1:09 pm

lowfog01 wrote:Here's a thought for you - is the current 6 hours a day, 5 days a week school we currently have going the way of the dinosaur? Is the advent of online learning and Skype capabilities going to change the face of education in America? Some of the teachers I talk with seem to think so. I guess we'll see.
Regardless of how it evolves, the important thing is that there be alternatives to evolve to; that there be choices. The present monopoly system can only be retrograde.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 1:46 pm

Indeed Richard. :)

 
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Post by jpete » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 7:30 pm

lowfog01 wrote:Some homeschool groups have evolved toward group learning but that gets tricky. As you may have guessed, homeschoolers are closely watched by the educational establishment and if not careful can find themselves in court for not having the proper certification of a teacher.
It's a little easier in RI. For now....

No certifications needed. And we only have to submit a "letter of intent" stating that our instruction will be "significantly similar" to the public school. At the end of the year, we submit our "attendance" and whether or not the child is working at "grade level".

No tests. No "grades". And no government interference. The school committee did try to pull some shenanigans last year but that got squashed.

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 9:01 pm

jpete wrote:
lowfog01 wrote:Some homeschool groups have evolved toward group learning but that gets tricky. As you may have guessed, homeschoolers are closely watched by the educational establishment and if not careful can find themselves in court for not having the proper certification of a teacher.
It's a little easier in RI. For now....

No certifications needed. And we only have to submit a "letter of intent" stating that our instruction will be "significantly similar" to the public school. At the end of the year, we submit our "attendance" and whether or not the child is working at "grade level".

No tests. No "grades". And no government interference. The school committee did try to pull some shenanigans last year but that got squashed.
You are blessed. Here in VA we have to prove advancement in Language Arts and Math. That can be done by testing or submitting a portfolio of work. No certification issues for your own children if you have a BA but if you don't the school system has to look at your curriculum. I don't know why because the schools can't approve or disapprove it. It's a paper chase.

Virginia also has a "Religious Exemption" to the attendance of school. You have to apply for that to the School Board. A parent has to prove they have a bona fide religious belief that prohibits your child from attending school. You have to provide supporting documentation; usually a letter from your preacher and two letters from friends confirming your beliefs. Once you have that you never have to talk to the School system again. It's nice.

My kids have all aged out but the journey was definitely worth it.

 
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Post by titleist1 » Mon. Jul. 13, 2015 9:26 pm

freetown fred wrote:Home school is about Individual parents teaching their individual children their interpretations of the subject matter. Parents being very closely involved in it all is still the bottom line.
For us once we got through middle school I think it goes beyond just the interpretation and parents being closely involved . We were extremely involved in our kids education and with that involvement public school was OK up through middle school. FFred, you are right about the interpretation view on a subject like history which we were sure to discuss. But with the math and science subjects it is more of a problem they are not getting prepared for the next level of education. 9th grade was so pathetic that we are currently going through a decision process for what we are going to do about 10th grade and beyond.

As an example, Math (algebra 2) was only a half year course and hardly covered anything. They used to complain that the kids would forget what they learned over the summer and used that as justification to try to put in a 12 month school schedule. Now the same school administration waits an extra 4 months to start teaching math for half the kids. So going from May to the next January they have plenty of time to forget all those formulas and proofs they will need for the next level. The intro to engineering course was a joke but I think that was due to the teacher being so bad and the admin yo-yoing in different substitutes when she got sick rather than the curriculum they were supposed to cover.

I don't know what we are going to do yet but a private school we looked into is leading the way right now.


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