Barack Hussein Obama "A closer look"

Devil505 wrote:Since most here don't feel that any of the major candidates deserve to be elected President & VP this year...Why not do what I'm doing & vote your conscience & not surrender your vote to someone who doesn't deserve it?
I will not be stampeded or frightened into voting for someone because a "Talking Head" tells me what I should do. (Those same "Talking Heads" would tell all of us that heating with coal is dumb, dirty & pollutes the atmosphere) I'm doing what I feel comfortable doing on 11/4 & that is voting for a man with real integrity....If we all did that...he would win!

You know, I thought Ron Paul was out of his mind and talking nonsense during the debates, but the more I realize how much I dislike the mainstream choices, the more I like Ron Paul. I could never vote for him though. We disagree on way too many things. When it comes to economic philosophy and ideas, though, he's better than both McCain and Obama and could probably get us out of this mess. He reminds me of Ross Perot, and if we'd all listened to Perot and not voted for someone because of their charm or the way they look (Clinton) then we might not be in this mess right now.

Ron Paul can't win, though, and a vote for him is a vote for Obama.

swva wrote:I could never vote for him though. We disagree on way too many things.

I too disagree with many of his views, but I will never find any candidate that I totally agree with. For me, INTEGRITY is what I want & I will not vote to support anyone who doesn't have it!!...Why should I?...What have they ever done for me....NOTHING!!

Devil505 wrote:Ron Paul has never been admonished for ethics violations & was against the corporate welfare "Bailout" bill that BOTH McCain & Obama sold out too. How is SOCIALISM a Republican concept???....& you watch....every corporation in America will be running to "Uncle" for some free money!! (GM is next)

Hey.....It's our tax money they're using to buy corporate crap!......I want to own Exxon-Mobil!!

You're right Dev, GM is next. I can't believe our government has bailed out these corrupt financial institutions, and I don't think GM is corrupt as a corporation, but I think paying CEO Wagoner hundreds of millions IS corrupt and unjustified.

And I'll give Ron Paul this, he's got McCain and Obama beat on any issue dealing with the economy, but there's just too many other things about him that would keep my conscience from voting for him. Issues of defense and morality, in particular.

vtec350 wrote: feel that between the 2 that McCain will be the better man for the job and at least try and get rid of some of this corruption in gov't.

But what if he dies in office?

I don't have a big problem with McCain.

Palin is an anti-intellectual. As Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it". How much history do you think Palin knows?

GWB surrounded himself with really smart people (some of whom made some dumb decisions).

Sarah Palin has surrounded herself with the Wasilla High School class of 1982.

If not a presidential candidate, do you think BO could get a security clearance, any level, knowing his associations?

If not a presidential candidate, do you think BO could get a security clearance, any level, knowing his associations?

Oddly enough I had a conversation about this topic the other day with a buddy who is an FBI agent out of the NYC field office.

In his opinion (and he has done tons of background checks) Obama would have some questions asked about the issue, but there's nothing there that would be a problem. Under even the looniest of theories Obama's ties to Ayers are thin. Relationships are more problematic than associations and there's little evidence of a close Obama/Ayers relationship. What would more likely be a problem is the amount of time he's spent living outside of the US.

FWIW, Todd Palin and his past membership in the AIP would be a HUGE problem for Sarah Palin getting cleared.

I recall at least one forum member having had a security clearance & seemed very knowledgeable about it. I would like to have his opinion on BO as a citizen being able to get a security clearance, any level, knowing his associations? Come on you know who you are.

spc wrote:I recall at least one forum member having had a security clearance & seemed very knowledgeable about it. I would like to have his opinion on BO as a citizen being able to get a security clearance, any level, knowing his associations? Come on you know who you are.

While I am no expert on security clearances, you are right Stephen: All DEA Special Agents must receive & maintain "Top Secret" level clearances for their entire career. Many different investigative agencies perform these background checks &, contrary to most movies & public belief, it is rarely the FBI that handles these investigations. (When I joined DEA back in 1975 it was the US Civil Service itself that performed all of DEA's employment background checks.

As far as B. Obama is concerned, I have no direct knowledge of what clearances he may have received, or even who performs Congressional security checks. (probably FBI but could be a Congressional service?) In any case, as a member of both the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations & the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs, I would believe that he already has clearance. In addition, I believe that both the Democrtaic & Republican nominees for the Presidency are given daily CIA Top Secret briefings on the current state of the world & known threats to the U.S.. (which would require Top Secret (or better) clearance)
(sort of a "watered down" version the President's Daily Brief (PDB) given by CIA)

Devil505 wrote:While I am no expert on security clearances

Sorry thought you were.

I was just wondering if there was somewhere on the application where you would have to acknowledge an association with an unrepentant terrorist, that's all.

spc wrote:I was just wondering if there was somewhere on the application where you would have to acknowledge an association with an unrepentant terrorist, that's all.

Actually, the most revealing part of most security clearance checks is the polygraph test, which is required for many clearances & was required in DEA. The examiner can ask any question they want, & the questions usually vary. "Do you still masturbate?" "Have you ever been sexually attracted to another male?" Have you ever broken a law?"....Are pretty standard fare to get baselines for these tests.

I'm not a big believer in polygraph results which I feel just tend to show how proficient a liar some people are!
(many criminals are expert at passing polygraph tests (there are tricks) & most courts will not allow polygraph test results into evidence)

Devil505 wrote:

spc wrote:I was just wondering if there was somewhere on the application where you would have to acknowledge an association with an unrepentant terrorist, that's all.

Actually, the most revealing part of most security clearance checks is the polygraph test

Swing & a miss.

ErikLaurence wrote:

If not a presidential candidate, do you think BO could get a security clearance, any level, knowing his associations?

FWIW, Todd Palin and his past membership in the AIP would be a HUGE problem for Sarah Palin getting cleared.

Actually, unlike the mainstream media and leftist propaganda, the FBI would walk through that in about 2 days...much to do about nothing.

Although I do just love the jumps that Liberals use to make moral equivalencies, it's so entertaining. The hate from the Left is palatable, I don't believe in anytime in my life where I've seen as many references to John McCain dying or messages about Palin not having the right to breathe, the vitrol is dripping from keyboards across the country. I don't like Barry, in fact I believe, like Carter there is a underlying persona that won't get exposed until it's to late...but X10 in Barry's case.
That being said, I don't HATE him, I don't wish him dead. I think he's an elitist, along with his wife. I think when he mentions our living standards are to high and that other countries look down on us for it, he's setting the table for what he thinks that we should be....a view he likes more... a Socialist European form of government. Hell Holland is sending over people to camapign for him. I'll bet ACORN would love to sign them up to vote as well.

I for one did not like GW's stand on Globalisation, we should not feel guilty for being the greatest country on earth, we should embrace it, we spend way to much money on people that now take us for granted and denounce us or applaud our enemies at the UN.
Barry with a veto proof Congress may just get his wish.

Of course nobody should be surprised by this...http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/20 ... a-was.html

Woot! who would ever guess!

archive.org strikes again, a lot of lawyers use that as sources in cases as its 100% reliable. It's also used as reference in a lot of copyright disputes.

Baracks redistribution of wealth plan.