Idea for coal pickup

Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: e.alleg On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:12 pm

http://www.enterprisetrucks.com/20x24-s ... truck.html

Check it out, I didn't get a price but this thing can probably hold 10 tons by adding some boards to the sides. What do you think? The tough part might be the shoveling into the coal bin.
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:26 pm

If you can use a chute from truck to bin it would not be that bad 1 ton about 20 min or less But that truck is pretty high
might be tuff shoveling on to the chute with Plywood sides on it How about a twin or three axel flatbed trailer with front back & sides on it 7x18 or 7x20 But you would need a truck to pull it How much to rent that one I looked at the link again
they clame only 9k to 11k Payload a five ton dump trailer will do the same 10k and No CDL Just a thought less fuel used
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: livefreeordie On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:30 pm

e.alleg wrote:this thing can probably hold 10 tons by adding some boards to the sides. What do you think?



The web description says it has a 9,000 to 11,000 lb payload. 2,000lbs in a ton means it can take about 4.5 to 5.5 ton. It may carry more before the frame gives way, but you'll void any insurance you take out on the truck if anything happens & they find out. Also, that truck will still need to go through the weigh stations on the highway. If you're over weight, depending on the officer you encounter, you'll either get raked over the coals or be made to dump some coals until you're back under the limit. :)

We used those trucks at my roofing company. Cheap OSB for $7 a sheet on the sides will allow you to fill it with bulk items.

By the way, anyone know how much stove coal weighs in terms of volume. I'm familiar with yards of sand, stone, cords of wood, etc., How much might a yard or so of stove coal weigh?

Thanks.
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:35 pm

livefreeordie wrote:
e.alleg wrote:this thing can probably hold 10 tons by adding some boards to the sides. What do you think?



The web description says it has a 9,000 to 11,000 lb payload. 2,000lbs in a ton means it can take about 4.5 to 5.5 ton. It may carry more before the frame gives way, but you'll void any insurance you take out on the truck if anything happens & they find out. Also, that truck will still need to go through the weigh stations on the highway. If you're over weight, depending on the officer you encounter, you'll either get raked over the coals or be made to dump some coals until you're back under the limit. :)

We used those trucks at my roofing company. Cheap OSB for $7 a sheet on the sides will allow you to fill it with bulk items.

By the way, anyone know how much stove coal weighs in terms of volume. I'm familiar with yards of sand, stone, cords of wood, etc., How much might a yard or so of stove coal weigh?

Thanks.
50lbs to 59 lbs per cubic ft. depending on what vein of coal that it is coming from
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: livefreeordie On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:40 pm

livefreeordie wrote:
By the way, anyone know how much stove coal weighs in terms of volume. I'm familiar with yards of sand, stone, cords of wood, etc., How much might a yard or so of stove coal weigh?

Thanks.


coal berner wrote:
50lbs to 59 lbs per cubic ft. depending on what vein of coal that it is coming from


Thank you!
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:48 pm

coal berner wrote:they clame only 9k to 11k Payload a five ton dump trailer will do the same 10k and No CDL Just a thought less fuel used


And i saw stumpy dump that was good for like 15 ton, no kidding but it had the springs and wheels for it. You can't go by the overall size of the truck. you need the right tires, spring packag and of course a frame meant for it.

With a truck like that if you put 5 ton on it you wouldn't need more than 12 inches of wood on the sides at the most. Those have pretty long long beds. For comparison this is 5 tons:

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livefreeordie wrote:By the way, anyone know how much stove coal weighs in terms of volume. I'm familiar with yards of sand, stone, cords of wood, etc., How much might a yard or so of stove coal weigh?.


Roughly 40 cubic feet per ton, if you're getting stove though it's going to be less. Probably around 36-37. If you take the picture above for example that's buck on there. If it was stove coal you wouldn't be able to see it, both would be 5 tons.
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: Dallas On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:07 pm

Richard, "while you're on the phone", can you chute from the truck, pretty easily, at a 90* angle? For instance, if you were to back into an "alley type" situation., can you chute to the side?.
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:19 pm

Yes, not problem with regular coal truck, you can actually do a little more than a full 180 swing. You can go back towards the front on the truck a little if the box is up in the air because you don't have things such as tires in the way. :P
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:37 pm

Richard S. wrote:
coal berner wrote:they clame only 9k to 11k Payload a five ton dump trailer will do the same 10k and No CDL Just a thought less fuel used


And i saw stumpy dump that was good for like 15 ton, no kidding but it had the springs and wheels for it. You can't go by the overall size of the truck. you need the right tires, spring packag and of course a frame meant for it.

With a truck like that if you put 5 ton on it you wouldn't need more than 12 inches of wood on the sides at the most. Those have pretty long long beds. For comparison this is 5 tons:

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livefreeordie wrote:By the way, anyone know how much stove coal weighs in terms of volume. I'm familiar with yards of sand, stone, cords of wood, etc., How much might a yard or so of stove coal weigh?.


Roughly 40 cubic feet per ton, if you're getting stove though it's going to be less. Probably around 36-37. If you take the picture above for example that's buck on there. If it was stove coal you wouldn't be able to see it, both would be 5 tons.


Yep Richard if you take the box off your truck and put it on a twin axel frame plus hydraulics you have a 5 ton dump trailer Like Matt Greg and Yanche has 7x14 7x12 with I think Yanche might be 6x10 or 6x12 can't recall now 2x12 on the sides
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: Sting On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:04 pm

Like this?
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Thats the box off an old 1962 White Gold Comet that was too far gone - I am making the front end into a service door canopy but I put the box on this old tri axle trailer and haul scrap in the summer with it - I figure it will make a dandy 4 ton coal hauler.
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:28 pm

Sting wrote:Like this?
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Thats the box off an old 1962 White Gold Comet that was too far gone - I am making the front end into a service door canopy but I put the box on this old tri axle trailer and haul scrap in the summer with it - I figure it will make a dandy 4 ton coal hauler.
yep that will work put some 2x12 or 16 on the sides you will get 5 or more in it
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: Sting On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:43 pm

ONCE - I rolled over the scrap yard scale at 24000+ and on the way there I stopped twice to disconnect the anchor I was dragging. :D

20000 over the scale is comfortable - the floor of the old dumper is 1/2 inch plate - far too robust for a little rig like this --but the truck I "salvaged' it from was a beast. Its last life was hauling line fence stones that just fit in. So MT weight on the trailer is like , over 7K already then add the dually tractor.... -

3 ton of coal per load is enough! Thats two nice ez loads and the old basement bin or the space shuttle (storage vessel, yet to be determined) should be full enough. Why press old equipment?

Ill just keep helping my significant other harvest her garden till I get a stoker!
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: e.alleg On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:12 am

not that I'm suggesting breaking the rules, but the truck I linked to can hold 20,000lbs easily. Spread evenly, it could probably hold 40k occasionally. We had 12,000 lbs of scrap in a 80's F350 dually car hauler, that had light truck tires on it. 9k-11k pounds suggested is to prevent lawsuits from gramma rolling the truck when she's not used to driving a 40k lb vehicle.
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:35 pm

e.alleg wrote:but the truck I linked to can hold 20,000lbs easily. Spread evenly, it could probably hold 40k occasionally. .


First you'll never get 40,000 lb.s of material on that truck, simply not enough room. Second even 20K and your asking for trouble. There is a reason they have weight class stickers and restrictions. Just about anything on that truck is going to be meant for the weight its classed for, springs, hangers, axles, lugs, tires, brakes... you only need a single point of failure and your *censored* to point it bluntly. I had main spring break on my large truck once while going down the road and it wasn't even loaded, let me tell you it wasn't a pleasant experience.

Probably the biggest issue is that truck is going to have hydraulic brakes and its not going to have the stopping power of air. If you start going down a long hill with 20k on it even if you're crwling you most likely are not going to have brakes when you get to the bottom and that is not an overstatement. Just to add, I don't know what the current state of hydraulic brakes are a truck like that but if they are anything like the old ones we had on 78 chevy you'll have no brakes if you have hydraulic failure. You'll only have the e-break which is all but worthless unless you're on flat ground. That is one reason for air, you lose air pressure the E-brake goes on and its like slamming the brakes on.

FYI you get stopped by DOT overlaoded 10K you're talking about huge fine as in 1000's of dollars, will probably lose your license and possibly go to jail on the spot.
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Re: Idea for coal pickup

PostBy: upstate On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:00 pm

The new hydraulic brake systerms lock the breaks on if there is a problem. It scares the heck out of you if it happens. Had a break failure a couple years ago and locked right up. I was only going 30, I would hate to see what it does at 60. That truck can probably hold more than its rated for, but its not safe for you or anybody else on the road. And if you get pulled over your fine is going to be based on how many lbs. over the registered weight you are. If you get one of those fines, it will be cheaper to burn fuel oil for a couple years.
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