warm morning 617a

Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: LBrookm On: Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:14 pm

Haven't gotten the little W.M. fired up yet but did finally get the metal work (sort of) done - need to p/u some fasteners.
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: LBrookm On: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:56 am

Finally got the little WM hooked up yesterday:
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It actually worked! :)

This a.m. after shakedown - interesting how the center acts like a magazine feeding coal down to the burn area:
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Taking off again after shake (I got other pics to rotate but this one is being stubborn :mad: - maybe easier just to rotate camera / phone going forward?):
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Knox Mealmaster k45
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: Baseboard

Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:42 am

Really nice work and the results confirm it. Congrats on bringing back a great stove.

I know it's big brothers hold an impressive amount of coal. Have you had a chance measure how much coal that model holds ?

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
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Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: KingCoal On: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:23 pm

Paul, that's a 60# fire pot with original bricks. from the pics i can't see how it could have lost any more than 5 #'s to the new corners.

fantastic job LB, hopefully you'll have some weather to get some Burn cycle, heat out put etc. reports turned in.

steve
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1- Warm Morning # 617A, 3-Locke Warm Morning #120, 1-Locke Warm Morning #524B
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Coal Size/Type: Nut Anth.
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: LBrookm On: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:30 am

Thanks Paul and Steve,

Gotta give credit where credit is due Paul - the angle grinder thing was your idea and much appreciated. Let me know when to start sending the royalty payments :)

I measured the inside after firebrick install as the replacements seem a little thicker than original and my numbers came closer to 40 pounds than the original 60. Since it's a workweek and no use in heating the garage when not able to enjoy it, I let it go out and plan to just dump coal in and see what it does end up holding. Will pass it on asap.

It only burned part of Saturday and all day Sunday so I left it on a light cruise during the day Sunday. It did ok for the 600 sq. ft. quite drafty garage. The barrel temps measured with IR were warmest about midway up the sides at 500 degrees. The other areas - top, ash door, etc. were 300 ish degrees or cooler. Of course it's just directly piped into a 6" masonry chimney so I'm sure some damping will improve things but had to play and didn't have the materials on hand at the time :) .
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Knox Mealmaster k45
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: Baseboard

Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:54 am

LBrookm wrote:Thanks Paul and Steve,

Gotta give credit where credit is due Paul - the angle grinder thing was your idea and much appreciated. Let me know when to start sending the royalty payments :)

I measured the inside after firebrick install as the replacements seem a little thicker than original and my numbers came closer to 40 pounds than the original 60. Since it's a workweek and no use in heating the garage when not able to enjoy it, I let it go out and plan to just dump coal in and see what it does end up holding. Will pass it on asap.

It only burned part of Saturday and all day Sunday so I left it on a light cruise during the day Sunday. It did ok for the 600 sq. ft. quite drafty garage. The barrel temps measured with IR were warmest about midway up the sides at 500 degrees. The other areas - top, ash door, etc. were 300 ish degrees or cooler. Of course it's just directly piped into a 6" masonry chimney so I'm sure some damping will improve things but had to play and didn't have the materials on hand at the time :) .


Your welcome. Glad it helped. Actually, any royalties :D go to another member. I got the idea for using the grinder to fit firebricks from Wilson when he was helping me with my Glenwood firebrick mold project.

60 pounds would be nice, but so is having a firebox in good condition that it works well, as it was designed to do. 40 pounds is still a good amount of coal for a stove that can extract heat so well. And as I'm sure you've found out by now, having smooth firebricks makes ash removal so much easier. ;)

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
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Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: LBrookm On: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:13 am

Took advantage of a power outage this a.m. to stay home and play a bit.

This is 1 full 40 pound bag of the old Kimmel's nut in the fire box - nice to see my earlier calc.'s were conservative.

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I've noticed different 40 pound bags of nut coal occupy varying volumes of space as I'm sure you guys have more of a feel for than I do so just sharing the package it came from:
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: KingCoal On: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:50 am

i can see 4 heaping ash shovels full ( in my case right about 10 #'s ) fitting in there. so you're not far off and it's not likely to matter.

if you are going to be heating only sometimes you'll find it much easier to run about 6" deep, add if you're still out there or let it burn out if not. that way you can just shake and throw some matchlight on top when you want to start again later.

steve
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1- Warm Morning # 617A, 3-Locke Warm Morning #120, 1-Locke Warm Morning #524B
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Coal Size/Type: Nut Anth.
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:26 am

Back when we were working on the Glenwood parlor stove magazine project, I was weighing different sizes of coal to see how much a magazine would add to the stoves capacity.

I found that in 8 inch sonotubes, and five and two gallon buckets, the same weight of nut coal takes up less volume than stove coal. By weight it was about a 10% difference.

If your bags have a lot of variation in chunk size, they may all weight the same, but take up difference amounts of space in the firebox.

The Kimmels coal I ran last winter (about 30 bags used) had a lot of size concentration variation from bag to bag.

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace