warm morning 617a

warm morning 617a

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:14 am

Hi all...I have acquired a warm morning 617a. ...I am curious if any one knows anything about this stove. Any experience with one actually. I'm looking to install it in my moms mobile home. Any and all information is appreciated
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: blrman07 On: Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:54 am

johnjoseph wrote:Hi all...I have acquired a warm morning 617a. ...I am curious if any one knows anything about this stove. Any experience with one actually. I'm looking to install it in my moms mobile home. Any and all information is appreciated


OOOH lightning rod words. Mobile Home. Mobile home's are really picky about what you put in them to heat them. I'm no expert but I would think any warm morning would be overkill for a MH and a fire hazard but then again what do I know. :lol:
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:59 am

blrman07 wrote:
johnjoseph wrote:Hi all...I have acquired a warm morning 617a. ...I am curious if any one knows anything about this stove. Any experience with one actually. I'm looking to install it in my moms mobile home. Any and all information is appreciated


OOOH lightning rod words. Mobile Home. Mobile home's are really picky about what you put in them to heat them. I'm no expert but I would think any warm morning would be overkill for a MH and a fire hazard but then again what do I know. :lol:



It's not insured...and with a proper install of protective hearth and chimney I believe it can be done...at this point it takes 800 gallons of kerosene to heat for the winter. .and overkill is good cause my mom is older and likes it warm
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: KingCoal On: Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:22 am

i acquired one of these 617 A units that has never had a fire in it earlier this summer. i have not run it but, they were once intended for small homes of about 800ish s.f.

i think with close attention to safety it could work very well in the mobe and probable barely have to work at it.

the question is, does your Mom have the health and strength to tend a stove like this ? or are you close enough to care for it daily for her ?

steve
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1- Warm Morning # 617A, 3-Locke Warm Morning #120, 1-Locke Warm Morning #524B
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:19 am

KingCoal wrote:i acquired one of these 617 A units that has never had a fire in it earlier this summer. i have not run it but, they were once intended for small homes of about 800ish s.f.

i think with close attention to safety it could work very well in the mobe and probable barely have to work at it.

the question is, does your Mom have the health and strength to tend a stove like this ? or are you close enough to care for it daily for her ?

steve

I will be tending it....she will be able to. ..after she learns how...the home is only 800 square feet in size.
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:32 am

Stoves intended for mobile homes generally have their own ducted fresh air intake.

To use this stove safely, besides providing adequate clearance or heat shields, you must provide fresh air, even if that means partially opening a window.

The low chimney height might also be trouble to maintain draft.

For this application a good quality pellet stove approved for mobile homes might be better.
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:01 am

We have looked at pellets and have a pellet stove to install. .but mom wants coal
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:36 am

johnjoseph wrote:We have looked at pellets and have a pellet stove to install. .but mom wants coal


In that case the Warm Morning stove is a good choice. The vertical design should be easy drafting. For heat shield you might consider a free standing half circle or less of painted sheet metal with a row of ports along the bottom to go around the stove. Safe clearance should be not much more than 12 inches then.
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:36 pm

I have a lot of ceramic tile that can be utilized on the walls behind the stove. ..can this be used as a firewall?
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:13 pm

JJ,

Tiles and masonry don't qualify for reducing the stove to combustibles distance much. While they can take a lot of heat, they don't insulate from heat well.

Stand-off sheet metal shields, with an air gap of at least 2 inches between the sheet metal and combustibles, with provisions for cooler air to enter the gap from below by natural convection currents, like Franco mentioned, are about the best way to reduce clearance distances.

Paul
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:46 am

I believe there are several previous postings on using a coal stove in a mobile trailer in the archives. You may want to do a search. If I'm remembering correctly insurance companies really have heart burn over the idea of a coal stove in a mobile trailer. That could be a deal breaker. Hopefully, it will work out in your favor. Lisa
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:57 am

I think Dave (Windyhill) is using a Crane stove in a trailer ? He might be able to help with the hows and whys.

Paul
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:37 pm

Forgot I had this copy of a page from the National Fire Code. Should help you decide how best to go about stove positioning.

Paul
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:28 pm

Our Crane 404 is on concrete in an addition on the side of our mobile home. We have no insurance issue with this install because it is not in the mobile home part. If you look at the Leisureline stokers,most of their units are mobile home approved. So with your stove in a "cabinet" it may also be OK.
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Re: warm morning 617a

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:35 pm

UPDATE: I talked my mom into taking the pellet stove I have and I will take the WARM MORNING! Now my problem is I don't know if I will need it other than decoration because I just installed
my k-6 Keystoker Boiler this summer! I did enjoy sitting in front of the pellet stove after coming in from snow removal to get that instant warm feeling....Maybe I could install this in my living room and keep some nut coal around for certain occasions.
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