John Sidney McCain

Stockingfull get real.. The president can totally wig out, go running down Pennsylvania avenue stark naked with his hair on fire.. [just about sounds like Bill doesn't it?] and NOTHING will happen to ANY missles ... HIs wife may divorce him but the missles won't fly... Get real.. you know there are too many checks and balances.

So McCain has a short fuse?? Which president other than Jimmy Carter didn't have a temper?? Get real.. You are grasping at straws.

Greg L

McCan is the MAN, forget that trama bullcrap, it only made him better.

I used to like McCain when he was a straight talker & shooter, & I obviously respect his courage during his Vietnam incaseration.... but.....Now he is old & changing his stance on: Torture, right wing religeous zealots, the Bush tax cut for the rich, admitts economic problems are not his forte' (but they are the worst problem we face right now) & is willing to keep us in Iraq for another 100 years! He is not the same moderate John McCain that he used to be &, while I could have supported him 8 years ago when Bush used sleazy tactics against him that killed his bid for the White House, I could never support the aged, wrong headed man he has become. If he is elected it truly will be 4 more years of Bush.

LsFarm wrote:Stockingfull get real.. The president can totally wig out, go running down Pennsylvania avenue stark naked with his hair on fire.. [just about sounds like Bill doesn't it?] and NOTHING will happen to ANY missles ... HIs wife may divorce him but the missles won't fly... Get real.. you know there are too many checks and balances.

So McCain has a short fuse?? Which president other than Jimmy Carter didn't have a temper?? Get real.. You are grasping at straws.

Greg L

Greg, we both have known people with PTSD. It's different than having a "temper," it's more like having a temper on steroids.

As I said, we don't know for sure whether McCain has it, but the basic signs are certainly there: the POW trauma to create it and the volatile, seemingly hair-trigger temper which results. Ask John Cornyn if you don't believe me.

In the end, this is the kind of thing elections are made of. Should it turn out to be true, we'll all have to decide for ourselves whether it can be controlled, or whether it really matters, before making our choice.

But, after the 3 AM ads and all the weight which the "experience candidates" have been putting on "experience," I must say I find it a bit amusing now to hear about how all the "checks and balances" make all that so unimportant now. At some point, you guys are gonna have to make up your minds.

Stokingfull wrote: " As I said, we don't know for sure whether McCain has it,"

Then why not shut the F up untill he is diagnosed with it, unless it is the agenda to try him and diagnose him by inuendo??

I have a short temper too, and sometimes when I have to deal with professional debaters like you or with stupid rules, or major disappointments in my life I get pretty close to uncorking... does this make me a 'mental case' like you like to describe Senator McCain?? I think it makes me HUMAN,, something I wouldn't use to describe you..

My experience with the former POW Captain leaves me with virtually uncontrolable anger at your above comments... what is the worst torture you have been through, MR Lawyer??? multiple paper cuts??? dry throat from long winded-ness?



Greg L

LsFarm wrote:Stokingfull wrote: " As I said, we don't know for sure whether McCain has it,"

Then why not shut the F up untill he is diagnosed with it, unless it is the agenda to try him and diagnose him by inuendo??

I have a short temper too, and sometimes when I have to deal with professional debaters like you or with stupid rules, or major disappointments in my life I get pretty close to uncorking... does this make me a 'mental case' like you like to describe Senator McCain?? I think it makes me HUMAN,, something I wouldn't use to describe you..

My experience with the former POW Captain leaves me with virtually uncontrolable anger at your above comments... what is the worst torture you have been through, MR Lawyer??? multiple paper cuts??? dry throat from long winded-ness?

Greg L

Greg, frankly I could care less about your personal temper. You come into these threads voluntarily and we're supposed to bow to your temper?

You've known somebody with PTSD, and so have I. Both have the same symptoms as McCain exhibits.

You've got absolutely no business telling me or anybody else to "shut the F up" about it and you damn well know it.

The predictable tactics from the left is to throw anything out there, every subject being fair game, & hope something sticks.

-McCain may have had an affair.
-A pastor he met once made a controversial statement.
-He is mentally unstable.

If it wasn’t so despicable it would be laughable.

spc wrote:The predictable tactics from the left is to throw anything out there, every subject being fair game, & hope something sticks.

-McCain may have had an affair.
-A pastor he met once made a controversial statement.
-He is mentally unstable.

If it wasn’t so despicable it would be laughable.

Interesting you should have brought that up, because his second marriage did in fact begin with an affair.
http://phoenix.about.com/od/politiciansfromarizona/a/johnmccain_2.htm

Personally, I don't care. But apparently many Republicans have a double standard on such things; it's not OK for Bill Clinton but is for McCain, or Rudy, or Newt, or David Livingston, or Henry Hyde....

His mental status, though? That's not a serious issue at all, now is it?

stockingfull wrote:

spc wrote:The predictable tactics from the left is to throw anything out there, every subject being fair game, & hope something sticks.

-McCain may have had an affair.
-A pastor he met once made a controversial statement.
-He is mentally unstable.

If it wasn’t so despicable it would be laughable.

His mental status, though? That's not a serious issue at all, now is it?

It’s amazing the psychological examinations you can give from your computer. Keep digging.

spc wrote:

stockingfull wrote:

spc wrote:The predictable tactics from the left is to throw anything out there, every subject being fair game, & hope something sticks.

-McCain may have had an affair.
-A pastor he met once made a controversial statement.
-He is mentally unstable.

If it wasn’t so despicable it would be laughable.

His mental status, though? That's not a serious issue at all, now is it?

It’s amazing the psychological examinations you can give from your computer. Keep digging.

He's opposed or blocked all previous attempts to inquire on the subject. Any idea why?

John McCain has a 67% favorable rating. Crazy Americans.

Is he really that disoriented, or should we ask a 6th grader to update him on where the players are over there?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/18/mccain-stumbles-on-iran-and-al-qaeda/?mod=googlenews_wsj

Or, did he have a PTSD episode?

stockingfull wrote:Is he really that disoriented, or should we ask a 6th grader to update him on where the players are over there?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/18/mccain-stumbles-on-iran-and-al-qaeda/?mod=googlenews_wsj

Or, did he have a PTSD episode?

He wasn't really wrong now was he :
"Iran 'is training the next al-Qa'eda leaders'"
"According to recent reports received by Western intelligence agencies, the Iranians are training senior al-Qa'eda operatives in Teheran."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ran214.xml

John McCain knows one thing for certain they want to kill Americans, what ever you want to call them where ever they are, & he won't cut & run.
Keep digging.

stockingfull wrote:His mental status, though? That's not a serious issue at all, now is it?

Nope. it sure isn't. You are talking about a man that flew numerous missions into hostile territory and paid the price dearly for fighting for his country by being shot down and tortured for over five years! His mental status would have to be incredibly strong to endure such a thing. So, If he can prevail through such a horror, anything else should be a piece of cake. He could have just ran back to college and dodged the whole war.. ( i.e. Bill Clinton )
So no, it is not a serious issue at all. I am more concerned about a certain possible candidate that has attended a church for the past 20 years that has a pastor that spouts anti-American rhetoric, condemns America and likes to travel with Louis Farrakhan. Now THAT is a serious issue!!!! And if you think it isn't you are lying to yourself....

ktm rider wrote:

stockingfull wrote:His mental status, though? That's not a serious issue at all, now is it?

Nope. it sure isn't. You are talking about a man that flew numerous missions into hostile territory and paid the price dearly for fighting for his country by being shot down and tortured for over five years! His mental status would have to be incredibly strong to endure such a thing. So, If he can prevail through such a horror, anything else should be a piece of cake. He could have just ran back to college and dodged the whole war.. ( i.e. Bill Clinton )
So no, it is not a serious issue at all. I am more concerned about a certain possible candidate that has attended a church for the past 20 years that has a pastor that spouts anti-American rhetoric, condemns America and likes to travel with Louis Farrakhan. Now THAT is a serious issue!!!! And if you think it isn't you are lying to yourself....

How can anyone seriously think that the "current" mental health of a candidate is any less important than his/her "current" physical condition? Would you want to elect a person who is currently dying of Cancer based on the fact that 30 years ago he/she was healthy?.....Of course not, so let's at least admit that a Presidential candidate's current physical or mental condition is a legitimate factor to be considered & move on!
That being said, I personaly do not beleive that Sen. McCain suffers from any form of mental illness other than normal aging (if that can be considered an "illness") but that his aging is most definetly a factor to consider &, in my estimation a disqualifying factor at that. I feel that McCain's reversal of position, on any number of core priciples, (Religeous zealots in politics, Bush's tax cut for his rich buddies only, switch on legitimizing torture, etc) discloses as much mental degradation as it does a tactical appeal to the Republican core voter.
The fact that he admittedly knows very little about economics, (the most serious problem this country pesently faces) that he had to be saved by Sen. Lieberman whispering in his ear that Al Quieda is not welcomed in Iran & the fact that he's advocating fighting & dying in Iraq for possibly another 100 years shows to me that his mental powers have deteriorated to a point that I dont want him in the Oval Office.
For these reasons, I cannot vote for a man who once was a heroic , straight-talking "Hands Acroos The Aisle" kind of guy.