John Sidney McCain

BugsyR wrote:I hope Obama or McCain, whoever gets elected, has the fortitude to change their minds every once in a while and be able to say "Sorry America, I believe I made a mistake." As we all know, my current President doesn't know how to do that.

Here...Here! I think you & I finally agree on something political!
(It really would be refreshing to have a politician just come out & say he changed his mind, & explain why. What they do instead is pretend that they "always" favored their current position....until someone finds a video-tape of them saying exactly the opposite.........last year!....& then they goto the old tried & true fall back line, that what they said: "Was taken out of context!")

This says it all about the 2008 John McCain.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
(I highlighted the above link, hit the "youtube" button but it didn't work??)

I have a special filter for filtering out lame ass videos like that.

Seriously if anyone wanted too and picked over every word that has come out of the mouths of candidates I'm sure you can find contradictions for everything they say.

BTW, I'm pretty sure it's because it's .uk.youtube instead of the regular youtube.

Richard S. wrote:Seriously if anyone wanted too and picked over every word that has come out of the mouths of candidates I'm sure you can find contradictions for everything they say.

That may be true when it comes to changing one's opinion on their favorite ice cream flavor Richard.....but not on "core" beliefs/principals like Sen. McCain has recently changed in an unabashed attempt to appeal for votes. Flip/flopping one's core values is the hallmark of someone who has no real core beliefs & therefore can't be trusted/believed in anything they say today....because it will undoubtedly change tomorrow! (That was one of the basic complaints about Hillary Clinton, that she would say anything to get elected, & the 2008 version of John McCain is no different)


Edit: a few recent McCain flip/flops posted on an earlier post

on right wing religious zealots that he used to oppose, the backing of Bush's policies in re prisoner interrogation techniques (inexcusable for a former POW himself), switching to now back the Bush tax cuts that he had opposed, switching to now support offshore drilling that he had opposed, his stance on continuing this war in Iraq ....the list goes on & on....In the words of the old TV game show: "Will the real John McCain please stand up.")

.... Sorry that video makes for some good entertainment but without cointext it's pretty worthless. A couple of sound bites are relly irrelvant. Give me a couple of hours of footage from Obama and I'll make him look like Hitler....seriously.

You want some real lies? here you go. 5 minutes of them:



You want some more? I'll gladly dig them up.

Richard S. wrote:A couple of sound bites are relly irrelvant.

I wouldn't call it a sound bite when Sen. McCain says that it is safe to walk around without body armor & then we see him wearing body armor.....or when he says that Gen Petraeous(sp) feels safe enough to regularly ride around in un-armored vehicles only to have his staff verify that he never goes out in anything but up-armored Humvees.
I'll grant you that, considering the Bush administration's propensity to lie all the time, we have all become somewhat oblivious to lies in general, but what Sen. McCain was caught in were, in fact...lies spoken for political benefit.

Edit: I just got a chance to see the youtube video above in re Sen. Obama talking about Rev. Wright
I do not hold Obama responsible for Rev. Wright's words any more than I hold Sen. McCain responsible for the Pastor who he (McCain) sought backing from, who said the Hitler was doing God's work.

Rev. Wright is simply this years "Swiftboat" mud slinging & discloses the depths of desperation on the part of the right wing who have nothing positive to run on this year.

Devil5052 wrote:I wouldn't call it a sound bite when Sen. McCain says that it is safe to walk around without body armor & then we see him wearing body armor.....

Exactly, you see a picture of him wearing body armor. Where/when was it taken? Note that although they go though a medley of things he had to protect him they never actually say he wasn't wearing body armor. That picture was taken during his trip but he didn't have it on the entire time:

http://www.google.com/images?q=mccain+h ... US249US249

One down....NEXT!

Devil5052 wrote:when he says that Gen Petraeous(sp) feels safe enough to regularly ride around in un-armored vehicles only to have his staff verify that he never goes out in anything but up-armored Humvees

Listen to what he says, he says "unarmed" "hum" "humvee" He doesn't say unarmored, I doubt there is Humvee in IRAQ that isn't armored anyway. I'll let others decide for themselves what he says. In any event it's nit picking as far as I'm concerned.

Two Down....NEXT!

I do not hold Obama responsible for Rev. Wright's words any more than I hold Sen. McCain responsible for the Pastor who he (McCain) sought backing from, who said the Hitler was doing God's work

The differences between those two situations are so drastic that you can't even begin to say they are comparable. You want me to make a list?

Well Richard, I guess when we are parsing words that minutely......."it depends on what you definition of is is"....isn't it! (Un-armored vs Un-Armed??.....bit of a stretch there, wouldn't you say?

Edit:

Reminds me of an old joke where a husband & wife are having dinner one night & the husband blurts out: "You ugly old bi--h....You've ruined my life!!"
He then tries to backpedal by saying that he merely mis-spoke.....What he meant to say, that came out wrong...was "Please pass the salt."

Richard S. wrote:

I do not hold Obama responsible for Rev. Wright's words any more than I hold Sen. McCain responsible for the Pastor who he (McCain) sought backing from, who said the Hitler was doing God's work

The differences between those two situations are so drastic that you can't even begin to say they are comparable. You want me to make a list?

You're right Richard, there is a drastic difference. In Obama's case it was merely the Pastor of his church speaking words that no one is even trying to attribute to Obama, & who Obama was not courting for political purposes. In McCain's case it was a pastor who McCain actively sought approval/endorsement from. Much worse, imo.

The pastor of his church for fifteen years that in his own words he considered a mentor, the man married him to his wife... How closer can you get... A man he tried to defend even after that sermon was released.

As far as splitting words between unarmed and unarmored you know as well as I do they are two completely different meanings. You brought the video up. Don't blame if you don't like the results of it getting debunked. I notice there is no more comments about the vest... You want me to go through the rest of it? I'll pick apart the entire thing. Where there's smoke there is fire, the rest is probably just as much garbage as the first two clips.

Richard S. wrote:Don't blame if you don't like the results of it getting debunked. I notice there is no more comments about the vest... You want me to go through the rest of it? I'll pick apart the entire thing.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here Richard. In regards to the vest & the rest of the video,.... I'll just let it speak for itself. (To me it's pretty obvious to anyone giving the video a fair viewing, that Sen. McCain was quite obviously over-stating the "safety" of walking/driving the streets of Iraq)

Edit: How about Sen. McCain's refutation of his own words to Tim Russert in re his (McCain's) self admitted lack of understanding/education on economic matters?

Yes let it speak for itself, McCain in those image I linked to walking down the streets without body armor speaks volumes.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/libra ... mnfi03.htm

"Without our (Coalition and Iraqi) commanders, we wouldn't have been able to have such a civilized place in Haditha now," said Rashid.

The delegation then boarded a military convoy and headed to the cities market place.

A few years ago, Haditha was the site of intense battles between Coalition forces and insurgents.

"What we're about to see when we walk through the city streets is going to be simply amazing," said Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, the commanding general of Multi-National Forces – West, to a member of the delegation.

"A year ago, you couldn't come out here," said Graham who visited Haditha last year. "What a turn around."

As far as his quote from Tim Russert what you posted is not what he said. The exact quote is "I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I need to be educated".... Of course he has more military knowledge, why wouldn't he. The last part of his statement is certainly open for debate because there is no indication as what his level of understanding is in the context of that statement. If he had said flatly " I have no knowledge of economics" then there is reson for concern but that's not what he said.

Richard S. wrote:McCain in those image I linked to walking down the streets without body armor speaks volumes.

Be honest now Richard......How comfortable would you be walking down the streets of Bagdad without body armor?

Richard S. wrote:If he had said flatly " I have no knowledge of economics" then there is reson for concern but that's not what he said.

I personally heard McCain answer an economic question (in one of the debates) by saying he would leave those decisions to experts, since they know allot more about economics than he. (not an exact quote but his answer was that he wasn't qualified to answer the question. Honest?....Yes Worrisome?....Yes

If I was John McCain walking down the streets og Baghdad I wouldn't be comfortable at all, if it were me walking down the streets I couldn't answer that question because I have no idea what the real conditions are. I'd have to make that judgment after being there. Having said that I'd imagine it would be a lot safer than taking a stroll through the "hood" in LA.

As far as McCains economics experience most decisions are made by cabinet members now to some dgree. The President rarely gets any direct information but instead its filtered though various cabinets and hes sees what they feel is important and advise him on what they feel is best. There is no one man that could possibly do all the things a president needs to do or know all the things a president needs to know.

Mark my words, the Democrats are going to lose this Presidency. Iraq their major card is on the back burner, its becoming less and less an issue every day. The big issue for this presidency is going to be energy and Mcain is the only one that can step forward with a policy that can lead us into the future. Even if Obama wanted too change his energy policy to be more realistic he can't because he'll be pissing off half the people that are voting for him now namely the environmentalist leaning crowd.

When people are paying $5 for a gallon of gas, $6 a gallon for heating oil and who the hell knows where NG is going... and Obama is still sticking to his environmentally sound energy policies who do you think people are going to vote for?