John Sidney McCain

John Sidney McCain

PostBy: spc On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:04 am

Boots on the ground.
McCain’ makes his eighth trip to Iraq.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080316/ts_nm/iraq_mccain_dc
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:44 am

Get ready for the swift boating of John McCain. One of our fellow coal burners who loads his stove from the left, has been "teasing" the issue in several other posts. He's dieing to purge his spleen with it. The left's mud machines are loading up to paint McCain as mentally unfit to be president because of the trauma he experienced as a POW for 5 1/2 years. He's got a short temper, that's well documented. That's pretty typical of type a males. The sainted Bill Clinton is also famous for his short temper. McCain was tortured. (REAL torture, not water boarding. McCain would have considered water boarding a day at the beach compared with he endured at the hands of the viet cong and their Soviet and Chinese partners.) Once while being interviewed by a cuban doctor on camera, he accepted some fresh fruit and has since been labeled as a collaborator. If you had barely survived on rotten bug infested rice for years, you would take a piece of fruit too. Anyway it will get very ugly soon and you can count on our resident left wing loon to lead the parade here.
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:47 am

By the way, if you read the story with the picture above, you will note they report the violence in Iraq is down 60% since last June, not on the rise as has been suggested by some here. The left will stop at nothing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: spc On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:52 am

I think his years as a POW strengthened his mind & his soul. Let me just add, his son a Marine, just came back from a tour in Iraq.
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:55 am

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger many would say. I can't even begin to imagine the personal hell of being held in a VC prison for that length of time under horrible conditions. Nothing like club Gitmo.
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: spc On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:02 am

What a difference in what McCain is focusing on as apposed to the two democrat contenders. Quite a contrasting week.

"But his week long overseas trip also includes Israel, Britain and France""


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080314/D8VDF4C08.html
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:34 am

spc wrote:What a difference in what McCain is focusing on as apposed to the two democrat contenders. Quite a contrasting week.


Like what....like having tea with "Imadinnerjacket" and asking him not to hurt us? :roll:
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: ktm rider On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:52 am

coalkirk wrote:Get ready for the swift boating of John McCain. One of our fellow coal burners who loads his stove from the left, has been "teasing" the issue in several other posts. He's dieing to purge his spleen with it. The left's mud machines are loading up to paint McCain as mentally unfit to be president because of the trauma he experienced as a POW for 5 1/2 years.

Once while being interviewed by a cuban doctor on camera, he accepted some fresh fruit and has since been labeled as a collaborator. If you had barely survived on rotten bug infested rice for years, you would take a piece of fruit too. Anyway it will get very ugly soon and you can count on our resident left wing loon to lead the parade here.


If figures the left would try something like that. I think that is EXACTLY why he is qualified to lead this country. he certainly has my respect.

Sen McCain has NOTHING to apologize for. It is easy to say he should have done this and shouldn't have done that. But, unless you were personally tortured and beaten and held captive in such a god for saken place also, you can not judge this man. That single piece of fruit did not make him a collaborator or traitor, it made him a human being that had a will to survive.
I sure am glad he is the republican candidate and not the dems candidate, I sure would hate to cast my vote against him.

BTW-- this man IS deserving of each and every medal he earned. Unlike Mr. Swift boat who got a Band-Aid put on a scratch and felt he deserved a Purple Heart for it.. What a slap in the face to the REAL Purple Heart awardee's that was....
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:11 pm

I had the honor of flying first officer for a former Vietnam POW... He was in for almost 3 years.. He couldn't talk about it.. he tried,, it was tough... but I do remember a very prominant personality trait,,, he had a very short fuse...

So my personality, of almost always trying to 'calm the waters'.. and smooth out issues worked well for us...

Unfortuantely the flight department he worked for, who hired me on a day by day basis was closed by the parent company.. I lost track of my fellow pilot... I too have the greatest respect for a POW...

Greg L
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:00 pm

LsFarm wrote:I had the honor of flying first officer for a former Vietnam POW... He was in for almost 3 years.. He couldn't talk about it.. he tried,, it was tough... but I do remember a very prominant personality trait,,, he had a very short fuse...
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I also had a client who had PTSD. Funny, people either want to hide it or sue for it; neither seems to work.

The gravamen of contracting it is having had the belief you were going to die, hardly a stretch for any POW. And the problem is that it surfaces based on whatever stimuli the person's brain associates with that death risk. AFAIK, it's not treatable, only manageable with therapy, which mostly includes avoidance of stressful situations, and sometimes drugs.

Taking absolutely nothing at all away from McCain's service, PTSD is NOT something you want the President of the U.S. to have under any circumstances, especially if it can be triggered by the stress of, for example, tough questioning, or questioning on a tough issue. And, inasmuch as he's not only surely been exposed to conditions which would have caused its onset but also has a reputation, similar to Greg's contact above, for the behavioral signs of having it, this story isn't going to be going away.

Sorry, but facts is facts.
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:09 pm

stockingfull wrote:
Sorry, but facts is facts.


And what's the facts? That he has a short temper?

I've seen him in many interviews getting grilled and haven't seen any signs of him "wigging" out. Certainly performed better than I would have under those conditions especially in the confrontational ones because I've been known to have a bad temper myself.

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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: bksaun On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:11 pm

Taking absolutely nothing at all away from McCain's service, PTSD is NOT something you want the President of the U.S. to have under any circumstances, especially if it can be triggered by the stress of, for example, tough questioning, or questioning on a tough issue. And, inasmuch as he's not only surely been exposed to conditions which would have caused its onset but also has a reputation, similar to Greg's contact above, for the behavioral signs of having it, this story isn't going to be going away.


Considering the alternatives, thats a chance I am willing to take!

BK
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:25 pm

Vid won't play.

Richard, it's quite well-known, even/especially within GOP circles, that he has a volatile and somewhat unpredictable temper.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec07/mccain_suicide_ptsd.htm
The term "McCain-grams" has even been coined to characterize his own recognition of the problem nowadays. http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.cfm/page/article/id/9486

Look, as I mentioned, I have a personal experience with a PTSD patient; it involved a former colleague who was involved in an elevator fall accident in which she thought she was going to die. She was never the same, especially on a windy day (like the day of the incident).

I don't know for sure whether McCain has PTSD; none of us do. But it's a very fair question, because you can't send off a "McCain-gram" after the missiles are in the air.

Of course, ultimately whether to vote for him is a choice we all should have the option of making -- but the point is that it should be a knowing choice, that means one with as many facts on the table as possible.
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:59 pm

I've noticed that alot of these Off-Topic threads are again turning into unnecessary personal attacks. Richard set up a separate place to act childish if we want & I think we should keep these attacks to that area. I think you all know that I generaly like political debate & admit to getting caught up in the emotion some times..........but now, even I am hesitant to post on these topics which seem to be just turning into 5th grade food fights. Come on guys, we are all good coal burners, here to help eachother out with coal heating questions/problems & suggestions. In the words of that great statesman....Rodney King......"Cant we all just get a,long?"
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Re: John Sidney McCain

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:40 pm

Stockingfull get real.. The president can totally wig out, go running down Pennsylvania avenue stark naked with his hair on fire.. [just about sounds like Bill doesn't it?] and NOTHING will happen to ANY missles ... HIs wife may divorce him but the missles won't fly... Get real.. you know there are too many checks and balances.

So McCain has a short fuse?? Which president other than Jimmy Carter didn't have a temper?? Get real.. You are grasping at straws.

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