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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Sep. 12, 2015 7:04 pm

Ummmm,.... not quite the best example, Dave,. :D

Would you "knowingly" buy a modern car that took away two of the four brakes ? :(
Would you "knowingly" buy a car that burned gas in excess of the power it could deliver from that gas ? :(

Having quite a few years experience "driving" both base heater and none base heater type stoves, I can honestly say, I think not !

Once you've "been behind the wheel" of a base heater for a drive, ........ ;)

Paul


 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sat. Sep. 12, 2015 8:38 pm

:what: Sunny Boy,my wife said a stupid question deserves a stupid answer,BUT,I can't think of any stupid enough answer for those 2 stupid questions that were formed from a misunderstanding of what I posted earlier. I was not advocating that he buy a new stove,reread the post. I DO NOT CARE WHAT STOVE ANYONE BUYS. :roll: How many antique cars that are driven many worthwhile miles still use those old bias ply tires ? Most folks upgrade the tires to radials..~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I reread my earlier post several times ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a slow learner,a slow thinker,hopefully I can convey the right message this time for you to understand. I should have included that even tho the new cars are built better in many ways,some folks would still like to have & drive the old car ~~ with its bias tires,4 drum brakes,10k miles tune-ups.I DO NOT CARE !!!!! If you like the old ,stove,car,house,tractor,whatever..... BUY IT!!!!! If you can afford it. If you would rather have the long life engine,radial tires,100k tune-up,4 wheel disc brakes,buy a newer car,one you can afford. Whatever it is that your heart desires & you feel you can afford........... BUY IT.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BUT QUIT TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE ELSE THAT THEY MUST BUY WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST. Ford,chevy,dodge,hitzer,herald,glenwood,crane,which one is best ? IT DON'T MATTER !!!! :) :) :)

 
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Post by archangel_cpj » Sat. Sep. 12, 2015 8:55 pm

WOW was curious on technology and the general physics of baseburners vs other technology wasnt looking for an International vs John Deer issue my bad... Question withdrawn again sorry if I some how hit a sore nerve... I found out the answer to my general questions in the archives and strangle enough from a 1947 video I found on you tube from the British on proper stoking techniques of a steam locomotive it goes over the physics of coal burning and how coal burns granted it Is Bituminous but change the carbon, ash, and volitile levels a nd it could apply to anthracite a very educational video...

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Sat. Sep. 12, 2015 9:00 pm

BUT QUIT TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE ELSE THAT THEY MUST BUY WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST.
So a neophyte seeks advice. Sunny who has many years experience with a wide range of stoves gives it and is one of our most knowledgeable members. So what is the problem here? Why did he ask for advice in the first place? It just appears that you don't agree with his advice but fail to argue logically. Please remember not to shout out your opinion with the CapsLock key, it's very rude. Of course it matters which coal stove someone picks for a specific application, don't be silly. I think I have a solution, sell your 404 for a couple of hundred bucks, work at McDs for two months or so and bingo you can afford your own BB and your jealousy will be a thing of the past. :D

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Sep. 12, 2015 9:14 pm

Dave,
Ok, I understand your intent, but keep in mind,....
I'm not the one who bought up the comparison of the down side of old cars verses the up side of new cars. Such as bias ply tires verse radials.

And I'm not trying to talk anyone into old, or new. What I was trying to point out is,....

Did you every consider that maybe it's the old stoves that were built with the "radial tires",...... and that it might actually be the new stoves that have the bias-ply tires ? :shock:

Did you ever consider that it might be the old stoves that were built with the "high performance" parts ? :shock:

And, as far as "long mileage", the old stoves have already proven they have a long life. They've have been here, on average, 100 years before the new stoves ...... and they are still going strong. :D

All I'm saying is, .... think about it. ;)

Paul

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Sep. 12, 2015 9:24 pm

archangel_cpj wrote:WOW was curious on technology and the general physics of baseburners vs other technology wasnt looking for an International vs John Deer issue my bad... Question withdrawn again sorry if I some how hit a sore nerve... I found out the answer to my general questions in the archives and strangle enough from a 1947 video I found on you tube from the British on proper stoking techniques of a steam locomotive it goes over the physics of coal burning and how coal burns granted it Is Bituminous but change the carbon, ash, and volitile levels a nd it could apply to anthracite a very educational video...
It's all good archangel, we're like family here. And like family, sometime we like to wrestle on the living room floor when there's nothing good on TV. As you can tell, we're very passionate about coal stoves. :D

Hang around and don't let the arguing bug ya ! There's lots of folks here who are extremely knowledgeable about all kinds of stoves - antiques, modern, big, small, you name it and somebody here has very likely argued for it and somebody else against it ! All fairly good ways to find out the pluses and minuses of each type !

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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sat. Sep. 12, 2015 9:35 pm

CN, reread this whole thread,I posted BEFORE sunny boy ever did. He is the one who misunderstood what I did not type.I am not JEALOUS of the old stoves (we still hope to someday have the room & a chimney to put 1 of those baseburning coal cook stoves in to use). I can't agree with sunny boys advice that he had not yet given,& yes he has lots of info to share on the old stoves. I simply tried to tell the OP that if he wants an old stove ~~~ buy it,but why must all these threads on old stoves always turn into a pissing contest of which stove (old vs new ) is "right" ? if you like old,buy old,if you like the newer type ,buy the newer type,it do not matter to me. I want everyone to be happy with what they have so the vs. contest ends.


 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sat. Sep. 12, 2015 9:49 pm

Sunny Boy , obviously I cannot type the right words to convey what I am trying to say,at least not so you can understand. Sept. 11,1973 I was 16 yrs old, had only been home from school 30 minutes & had briefly spoken to my father,20 minutes later he was pinned under an upside down tractor ~~ instantly dead at age 43.Instantly changed our lives.. forever, I had to quit school, I had just started 11th grade. I never went to typing class to learn how to convey my thoughts via type & send messages. I even get misunderstood when talking to a person face to face,but can usually explain myself to them so they understand what I meant. I can read real good,so I guess I will stick to reading & let the opinions & advising for the more highly educated folks. So yes,Sept 11 has a double whammy for me each yr. Once again,my advice to the OP,if you like the old stove,BUY it & be happy,ask sunny boy or cn which one you should get. :) :) :) :) :)

 
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Post by KingCoal » Sun. Sep. 13, 2015 7:58 am

archangel_cpj wrote:WOW was curious on technology and the general physics of baseburners vs other technology wasnt looking for an International vs John Deer issue my bad... Question withdrawn again sorry if I some how hit a sore nerve... I found out the answer to my general questions in the archives and strangle enough from a 1947 video I found on you tube from the British on proper stoking techniques of a steam locomotive it goes over the physics of coal burning and how coal burns granted it Is Bituminous but change the carbon, ash, and volitile levels a nd it could apply to anthracite a very educational video...
was that the Black 8 video with Colin Bell ?

thanks,
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Post by coalnewbie » Sun. Sep. 13, 2015 8:26 am

I noticed this a few weeks ago and to my simple brain it is a great video. I learned a lot from this


 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sun. Sep. 13, 2015 9:35 am

Thanks Simon. Excellent vid about what happens in a coal fire and what it takes to get the best output.

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Post by McGiever » Sun. Sep. 13, 2015 9:46 am

Thanks *coalnewbie*, enjoyed it likewise. :)
Also noticed it was directed by Colin Bell whom *kingcoal* made reference to above, aswell. ;)

 
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Post by archangel_cpj » Sun. Sep. 13, 2015 4:12 pm

That's it very educational video

 
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Post by wsherrick » Mon. Sep. 14, 2015 3:36 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:CN, reread this whole thread,I posted BEFORE sunny boy ever did. He is the one who misunderstood what I did not type.I am not JEALOUS of the old stoves (we still hope to someday have the room & a chimney to put 1 of those baseburning coal cook stoves in to use). I can't agree with sunny boys advice that he had not yet given,& yes he has lots of info to share on the old stoves. I simply tried to tell the OP that if he wants an old stove ~~~ buy it,but why must all these threads on old stoves always turn into a pissing contest of which stove (old vs new ) is "right" ? if you like old,buy old,if you like the newer type ,buy the newer type,it do not matter to me. I want everyone to be happy with what they have so the vs. contest ends.
Because the stoker and boiler people just can't keep their noses out of it. That's why it turns into an argument. I or NOBODY else on the hand fed section kibitzes over on the stoker people's side unlike vise versa.
Funny how that works.
To answer the original poster's question. Comparing a high end base burner to a modern box stove is like comparing a Ferrari to an Ox Cart with wooden wheels.
If you are going to compare stoves to vehicles, this one is the most accurate.
And don't worry about these little tiffs. Ask any questions you like and we will do our best to help you.

And to answer your other question. What makes a base heater basically different than a standard direct draft stove is in two parts. How the fuel is burned and how the heat is transferred from the stove to the room. A base heater has an insulated fire pot which allows for a much higher combustion efficiency at a very wide range of operating temperatures where as a direct draft stove has it's most efficient operation at pretty much one rate of operation. The other big difference is that base heaters take the hot exhaust gasses and circulate them from the top of the stove all the way around the bottom and then back up and out again. This allows for most of the produced heat to get sent out into the area heated rather than up the chimney. There are base heaters and oak stoves that have what is called a double heating attachment which allows cold air to be brought up off the floor, heated and sent out via an independent duct on top of the stove. This is in addition to the radiant heating powers of the stove. That's it in a nut shell. There are basically three kinds of base burners/base heaters. 1. The Mica style or Radiant Base Burner. 2. The Oak Style Base Heater (Glenwood No 6 for example) and No. 3 the cylinder, internal suspended fire pot type such as an Our Glenwood No 111 or a Crawford 40. There is a lot of information here about all three types. I will help with any questions you might have as well as many others here.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Mon. Sep. 14, 2015 4:46 pm

Ferrari to an Ox Cart with wooden wheels.
I guess you are feeling better. :D :D
There are base heaters and oak stoves that have what is called a double heating attachment which allows cold air to be brought up off the floor, heated and sent out via an independent duct on top of the stove. This is in addition to the radiant heating powers of the stove.
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The CB central Heating sytem

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Picks up air from the basement and dumps it upstairs. Not super powerful but the colder the basement the better it works. When everything is cranking it works great, everything burns to a white powder and it is superefficent. Convection works. The real freaky thing is I can remove the ashpan without gloves. So Glenwood in Ohio there are alternatives to Glenwoods.



I was thinking a Porsche to a broken manure spreader but who is is arguing. HAHAHAHAHAHAA, I slay myself.
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