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Post by auntievintage » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 8:52 am

Hi guys!
I'm trying to figure out if I'm missing a piece on my Our Herald # 10.
Where the shaker handle comes through the slot is just empty space. I've seen similar stoves that have a piece of cast that moves with the shaker handle. It almost looks like a curved plate should have been surrounding the handle. It seems that having this space open would reduce burn control and increase the potential to over-fire?
I assumed my stove was missing a piece until I saw a 14 with the same empty slot:
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Post by franco b » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 9:15 am

I would think a flat piece with a central slot for the shaker handle a bit wider to accommodate needed clearance for the circular motion of the shaker. The picture seems to show the guides for this piece. 1/16 thick piece of steel should do.

 
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Post by michaelanthony » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 9:58 am

It appears your stove has a narrower shield than mine. My piece is an 1/8 inch strong in thickness...3/16? and curved. It's an inch tall and a little less than 3 times as long as the opening.

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Post by franco b » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 10:13 am

The guides should determine thickness. Flat should work fine. With shaker handle at an extreme, one side or another, measure across stove front on top of shaker and that will give needed length of slot for shaker handle to compensate for not being round.

 
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Post by auntievintage » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 10:28 am

franco b wrote:The guides should determine thickness. Flat should work fine. With shaker handle at an extreme, one side or another, measure across stove front on top of shaker and that will give needed length of slot for shaker handle to compensate for not being round.
That makes sense. I had to read it twice to get a visual in my mind. I wouldn't have thought of that.

MA- is yours cast or steel? I'm thinking that these would have been extremely vulnerable when made of cast due to the shaker handle slamming on it back and forth. Maybe not as much with yours due to the round handle shape, but with the flat handles, I wouldn't think it would take long to bust them. (Maybe that's why they are commonly missing)

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 10:39 am

auntievintage wrote:
franco b wrote:The guides should determine thickness. Flat should work fine. With shaker handle at an extreme, one side or another, measure across stove front on top of shaker and that will give needed length of slot for shaker handle to compensate for not being round.
That makes sense. I had to read it twice to get a visual in my mind. I wouldn't have thought of that.

MA- is yours cast or steel? I'm thinking that these would have been extremely vulnerable when made of cast due to the shaker handle slamming on it back and forth. Maybe not as much with yours due to the round handle shape, but with the flat handles, I wouldn't think it would take long to bust them. (Maybe that's why they are commonly missing)
The shock load is a compression load -in line with the material, not perpendicular to it - so it shouldn't be a problem. However, I think it would be easiest to make it out of 1/8 steel bar stock. For cast iron, you'd have to make a pattern and have it cast - you couldn't curve flat cast iron that much without a very high risk of it snapping.

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Post by scalabro » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 10:50 am

These stoves are so similar in architecture I bet Skip or Emery could hook you up with one from another parts stove that will drop right in.


 
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Post by michaelanthony » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 10:52 am

auntievintage wrote:.......MA- is yours cast or steel? I'm thinking that these would have been extremely vulnerable when made of cast due to the shaker handle slamming on it back and forth. Maybe not as much with yours due to the round handle shape, but with the flat handles, I wouldn't think it would take long to bust them. (Maybe that's why they are commonly missing)
Mine is cast iron...now if you recall the front door frame on my stove has that small crack on the lower left shaker handle opening, and I think that was from the actual slamming of the thick, heavy shaker handle itself...the shield is just along for the ride and if fit properly does not get in harms way, hope that makes sense.

 
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Post by franco b » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 2:01 pm

franco b wrote:The guides should determine thickness. Flat should work fine. With shaker handle at an extreme, one side or another, measure across stove front on top of shaker and that will give needed length of slot for shaker handle to compensate for not being round.
I assume the part it fits into is not curved, if it is then the shield piece would have to be also.

 
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Post by auntievintage » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 2:17 pm

Yes, mine does have a slight curve to it. It may be a bit tricky to bend steel to the exact curve but I'm sure I could do it.

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Post by auntievintage » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 2:18 pm

AHHHHHHH! Why do the pictures flip sideways when they are from my stove?

 
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Post by franco b » Tue. Sep. 29, 2015 4:53 pm

auntievintage wrote:Yes, mine does have a slight curve to it. It may be a bit tricky to bend steel to the exact curve but I'm sure I could do it.
I am sure Paul could suggest the best way to do that with minimal equipment.

Failing that a quick way would be with a piece of clock spring, that spring loaded against the front will easily flex to follow the curve. I can send you a piece if need be.

 
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Post by Photog200 » Wed. Sep. 30, 2015 7:20 am

auntievintage wrote:AHHHHHHH! Why do the pictures flip sideways when they are from my stove?
This should help...

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Post by wilsons woodstoves » Wed. Sep. 30, 2015 8:21 pm

Ahhhhh, Randy to the rescue again.

 
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Post by auntievintage » Wed. Sep. 30, 2015 9:22 pm

You've GOT to let us know how you DO that!


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