My Glenwood Base Heater Vs Alaska Channing 3 Stoker
- Photog200
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Since this thread is going to be showing a lot of degrees of temperatures, I would like to show you how to actually make a degree symbol. If you are on a Windows computer and if you are using the font Aerial. All you have to do is after you type the numbers you want, while holding down the Alt key, type in the following numbers 0176 (zero, one, seven six) then let up on the Alt key. The degree symbol will appear. This is just a shortcut to your character map, if you are not using Aerial as a font, you might have to actually look for the character map and go through and look for the symbol.
On my Mac, operating Yosemite, I have to hold down control key along with command and shift keys. That brings up the Emoji and Symbols dialog box and on here you can choose either the ℉ or ℃ symbols.
Have fun, and I am looking forward to the comparison between the two stoves.
Randy
On my Mac, operating Yosemite, I have to hold down control key along with command and shift keys. That brings up the Emoji and Symbols dialog box and on here you can choose either the ℉ or ℃ symbols.
Have fun, and I am looking forward to the comparison between the two stoves.
Randy
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Your at 3 to 1 barrel to stack temps. I think you can get a higher ratio, which would send less heat up the chimney. Your showing ,05 mano for 140 stack temp. That is a pretty strong draft for those outdoor temps. You must have a pretty good drafting chimney system. When real cold weather comes, tie down the cat !Canaan coal man wrote:Ok awoke at 5:30 to check the coal status in the house.
Stove room 83*
Middle of the house 80*
Back of house 70*
Oat 45* with cold drizzle
Barrel temp jumped to 425*
Stack still hangen at 140*
Draft at .05
In bb mode.
So I'm going to try this today to achieve a 24hr burn. I cut primary's back to 1/16" and mpd is at 45* now to help with draft as the stove cools and the oat warms today. The fire bed dropped from bottom of gas ring to middle of the top row of bricks. Gonna run to work now I'll be home around noon with an update.
You might try setting the MPD tighter to try for .02 - .03, but leave the primaries alone, and see how the barrel and stack temps compare to each other.
Or, if you have the original Glenwood cast iron elbow that came with these stoves, with the check damper built in, you could try opening the check damper a little bit to slow the draft and see if that lowers the stack temp while keeping the barrel temp up. Again, don't choke off the primaries or the barrel temp will drop. Your looking to feed the fire enough air to make constant heat, but not have such a strong draft that the flue gases can race up the chimney.
The higher the stove to stack temp ratio is, the more heat your keeping in the house and the longer each load of coal will last. Some of the Glenwood base heater guys report temps that show they can run theirs at 4:1, almost 5:1 in the colder weather.
Paul
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Don't worry, he will get it.
It's a process. I think he is doing fine for his first day.
I think a little more secondary air. I mean a tiny bit should help.
He also needs to learn how much ash to carry on the grates for a given heat out put.
It's a process. I think he is doing fine for his first day.
I think a little more secondary air. I mean a tiny bit should help.
He also needs to learn how much ash to carry on the grates for a given heat out put.
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We will allow him to make his own judgements and let's honor his wish about not starting non related arguments here.Pacowy wrote:Agree on the tweaking and the patience. Not so sure about the "unlike something mechanical" part. With a stoker you also would benefit from developing a "close relationship" so that you have a feel for what it needs based on how it looks and performs. You need a reasonable amount of "feel" to successfully ride a horse, as you do to drive a car. It's different for both, but that doesn't mean it's lacking in either.wsherrick wrote:You have the ability to tweak that Glenwood way beyond what you are aware of yet.
Be patient with it. Watch very closely how it reacts to various settings and conditions.
Unlike something mechanical, you must develop a close relationship with the Glenwood. As you learn it, you will find that it will tell exactly what it needs.
It will be found to be quite the faithful partner during the Winter.
And like franco, I will be deeply interested in the comparisons of the two types of stoves.
Mike
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Thanks Randy I'm using the I pad it's kinda the home computer I'll try and fig it out to make it better on everybody's eye.Photog200 wrote:Since this thread is going to be showing a lot of degrees of temperatures, I would like to show you how to actually make a degree symbol. If you are on a Windows computer and if you are using the font Aerial. All you have to do is after you type the numbers you want, while holding down the Alt key, type in the following numbers 0176 (zero, one, seven six) then let up on the Alt key. The degree symbol will appear. This is just a shortcut to your character map, if you are not using Aerial as a font, you might have to actually look for the character map and go through and look for the symbol.
On my Mac, operating Yosemite, I have to hold down control key along with command and shift keys. That brings up the Emoji and Symbols dialog box and on here you can choose either the ℉ or ℃ symbols.
Have fun, and I am looking forward to the comparison between the two stoves.
Randy
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So I made a little mistake with my first post, I originally loaded to stove at 8:00pm but it settled at 9:45 pm. I'm gonna record this burn time from 8:00
Just got home from work at 2:00pm stove is running good . 18hrs so far. I shut the mpd got a draft of .02-.03 now . And yes I do have the glenwood elbow and I'll play with that when we get "draftier"
Just got home from work at 2:00pm stove is running good . 18hrs so far. I shut the mpd got a draft of .02-.03 now . And yes I do have the glenwood elbow and I'll play with that when we get "draftier"
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- Canaan coal man
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Ah ha wifey figured out the degree thing .
300°
300°
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In Linux all you do is press CTRL-SHIFT followed by the letter u, and then followed immediately by 00B0. "Zero Zero B Zero". Easy (sic).
The magical result of such keystroke convolution is degrees, as in 45°.
The magical result of such keystroke convolution is degrees, as in 45°.
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Sounds good.wsherrick wrote:We will allow him to make his own judgements and let's honor his wish about not starting non related arguments here.
Mike
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A little side note this whole base burner hand fed experiment wouldn't be going on if it wasn't for the video William posted. When he loaded his g6 and it took only 10-15 lbs in I think it was a 20hr span..... I was convinced then, that I wanted to try a base burner and c what it has to offer. Hence this tread.wsherrick wrote:Don't worry, he will get it.
It's a process. I think he is doing fine for his first day.
I think a little more secondary air. I mean a tiny bit should help.
He also needs to learn how much ash to carry on the grates for a given heat out put.
- Canaan coal man
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Mike no worries I understand what u were trying to say, after running the Channing for 3 years there is definitely a little learning curb and dancing back and forward with settings to figure out the right iat and oat and dial setting . With the g6 there are a few more bells and whistles to play with In order to tweak burn times and temps were u want.Pacowy wrote:Sounds good.wsherrick wrote:We will allow him to make his own judgements and let's honor his wish about not starting non related arguments here.
Mike
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4:30 shook down a weak 20 and half hour fire. I over shook a bit had to add a few scoops every 5mins loaded up with 30lbs of nut and off we go for another round. I'll post some more details later gotta run out the door.
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I had plans of buying all stove size but I found a screaming deal locally off Craig's list for 4 tons of nice clean nut. Saved me 400$ over local cost. And I did buy a pallet of stove for dead of winter.Rob R. wrote:Good idea having a few wood fires before the anthracite test.
Do you plan to burn nut size all winter?