My Glenwood Base Heater Vs Alaska Channing 3 Stoker
- wsherrick
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The large skirts on these Base Heaters are as effective if not more so than a fan when it comes to circulating heat. The skirts, (unlike the forced air fan) work with the laws of heat transfer. Natural convection, plus the turbulence the skirt creates does an amazing job of mixing the air and moving it across the room at floor level and it does it without a need for a gross dependency on an electrical auxiliary device.
Yet another idea which makes Base Heaters among the most efficient and easy to use stoves EVER made.
Yet another idea which makes Base Heaters among the most efficient and easy to use stoves EVER made.
- Canaan coal man
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I don't miss it one bit.Rob R. wrote:I bet you don't miss the fan noise.
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So there's some additional savings in electricity, it's quieter, and there's no worry about heat output being reduced by a power outages.Canaan coal man wrote:I Might have been a miss stating, 35lbs a day with the channing is a 7 day average in 35-55* weather I can idle the channing to a 10 lb usage but I can also sit on the stove butt naked. again I can idle the G6 not as low maybe 15lbs a day but a 7 day average showed a 28.5lb dayly consumption in comparable mild weather.Pacowy wrote:I'm glad you're happy. I don't see how the temp comparisons can be interpreted, since the Alaska scrubs heat off with the blower. And we only have a limited opportunity to go back and dissect the way the Alaska was used. On mine, the sweet spot for hard running was right around 50 or so lb/day, where it would throw tons of heat and I never fully filled an ash pan in a day. Mine didn't run efficiently at the very high end of the dial, but it idled way lower than 35 lb/day. From the Alaska performance you describe, I can see how you like this better, but I would question whether it's representative of the performance others get from their Channing III's.
Mike
and yes with out the fan the stove would climb to 700* no problem but the back of the house would have been cooler than with the fan.
With the G6 and the way my house is laid out I don't need any fans and the back of the house feels the same if not a little better heat wise.
Paul
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One thing I was anticipating was how the G6 was going to move heat around. so far iv had no need to use box fans to move heat, iv also noticed my floor in the living room were the stove is located seems to be warmer than years past, the stove location is not ideally in the middle of the house, because I kinda have a closed floor plan there will always be a temp difference at the farthest end of the house no matter what, unless of course I turn on my furnace and heat with the cast iron radiators .wsherrick wrote:The large skirts on these Base Heaters are as effective if not more so than a fan when it comes to circulating heat. The skirts, (unlike the forced air fan) work with the laws of heat transfer. Natural convection, plus the turbulence the skirt creates does an amazing job of mixing the air and moving it across the room at floor level and it does it without a need for a gross dependency on an electrical auxiliary device.
Yet another idea which makes Base Heaters among the most efficient and easy to use stoves EVER made.
The addition of the chubby coal stove or any other stove for that matter in the basement will warm the floors and foundation and back of the house and ease the load on the G6.
After this past cold snap while is did push the upper limits of the G6 in this drafty old house, and the G6 did perform well, If it was going to be my solo choice of heat with out the help of another stove in the basement, I would have to bump up to a G8 or my dream stove a G113 just for the added kick.
- Canaan coal man
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So there's some additional savings in electricity, it's quieter, and there's no worry about heat output being reduced by a power outages.
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These were some of the main reasons and differences from a stoker, and why I wanted to try a hand fed this year.
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These were some of the main reasons and differences from a stoker, and why I wanted to try a hand fed this year.
- Canaan coal man
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I might be the only one with a G6 to say this, but Im burning stove for a week to c the difference, and im not a fan. My stove seems to run better on nut. It holds more lbs, revs up faster and needs less air to maintain a cretin barrel temp and the grates don't jamb nearly as much . Kinda weird considering the general conciseness is stove size with the older stoves.
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- Sunny Boy
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Might be the difference in draft strength of your chimney system, verse other #6 owner's systems ? Nut is a good way to help slow a too-strong draft. Conversely stove coal can help a weaker drafting system.Canaan coal man wrote:I might be the only one with a G6 to say this, but Im burning stove for a week to c the difference, and im not a fan. My stove seems to run better on nut. It holds more lbs, revs up faster and needs less air to maintain and the grates don't jamb nearly as much a cretin barrel temp. Kinda weird considering the general conciseness is stove size with the older stoves.
Glenwood recommends stove coal for my range even thought the firebox is only 6 inches deep. I tried a few bags and found that stove burns too well with my strong drafting chimney. Plus, it's tougher to keep steady temperatures for cooking/baking. And because it holds less fuel the fire needs to be tended more often.
As you can see my tests with my #6 show that by using nut coal the firepot holds 10% more weight of coal. Therefore 10% more usable fuel per fill.
Back on the Scales - Coal Weight Verses Volume
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Every one on here with an antique loves stove size, Im just baffled that in my set up with my stove and chimney that stove sized coal is so slow to react to changes in damper settings. I have to run almost double the primary air to hold the same temps.
(Santa clause stove size btw) I notice less blues in the pot as well. Im going to keep burning stove for a bit to c if I can get it figured out but for now im looking into buying nut for next year.
(Santa clause stove size btw) I notice less blues in the pot as well. Im going to keep burning stove for a bit to c if I can get it figured out but for now im looking into buying nut for next year.
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Strange. Just the opposite of what many report and I found using a few bags of Blaschak bagged stove last winter.
Paul
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+1Sunny Boy wrote:Strange. Just the opposite of what many report and I found using a few bags of Blaschak bagged stove last winter.
Paul
Maybe something else is going on...
- Canaan coal man
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iv also burnt 3 different types of nut all with the same result, so its not like I have a super high quality nut that would be out performing the Blaschak bagged stove.
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Fig I'd bump this old thread. Highs today in the low 20°s We're experiencing high gusts today on the western front. I have chickens and ducks getting blown around the yard like tumble weeds...... Took a bit of trial and error to get my damper adjusted accordingly to keep draft under .05. This year the g6 is eating Lehigh nut and some low red ash stove that a buddy dug out of a basement for me. To anyone who is wondering Lehigh is worth it hands down, worth the time money or trip, what ever it takes to get it in your coal bin. Its the best I have burnt so far. The G6 is cruzing along making the house T shirt weather as always.
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Nice! I was wondering about the weather out in the NWC today...it must be a shock after last week BTW I used to live down the street in Sharon....good times and a beautiful place to live.