My Glenwood Base Heater Vs Alaska Channing 3 Stoker
- Canaan coal man
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As some of you know and been following I rebuilt a glenwood base heater #6, titled glenwood base heater with a crack. Well I finished the stove second week in September. Ive hade a few curing wood fires but today high of 50 raw rainy and windy in north west Connecticut it's time to start a new thread and play with coal. I'll probably be burning wood on and off till mid November, that's when Iv started the Channing every year for the last three years . I'll have better comparable data at that time same chimney and house.
But tonight is my fist coal fire in the G6.......
But tonight is my fist coal fire in the G6.......
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Excellent, now we're getting somewhere.
it's going to be a great heat season.
it's going to be a great heat season.
- wsherrick
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You have the ability to tweak that Glenwood way beyond what you are aware of yet.
Be patient with it. Watch very closely how it reacts to various settings and conditions.
Unlike something mechanical, you must develop a close relationship with the Glenwood. As you learn it, you will find that it will tell exactly what it needs.
It will be found to be quite the faithful partner during the Winter.
And like franco, I will be deeply interested in the comparisons of the two types of stoves.
Be patient with it. Watch very closely how it reacts to various settings and conditions.
Unlike something mechanical, you must develop a close relationship with the Glenwood. As you learn it, you will find that it will tell exactly what it needs.
It will be found to be quite the faithful partner during the Winter.
And like franco, I will be deeply interested in the comparisons of the two types of stoves.
- Canaan coal man
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First comparison it's sooooo quite
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Make that three.wsherrick wrote:You have the ability to tweak that Glenwood way beyond what you are aware of yet.
Be patient with it. Watch very closely how it reacts to various settings and conditions.
Unlike something mechanical, you must develop a close relationship with the Glenwood. As you learn it, you will find that it will tell exactly what it needs.
It will be found to be quite the faithful partner during the Winter.
And like franco, I will be deeply interested in the comparisons of the two types of stoves.
Paul
- windyhill4.2
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Do you mean quiet ? as in no noise ? as in totally silent ? I have to say that I love the silent radiant heat from our Crane 404,the only noise is at tending time.Canaan coal man wrote:First comparison it's sooooo quite
- Canaan coal man
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Yep stokers have 2 fans running 24/7 so far g6 just crackles when fresh coal was addedwindyhill4.2 wrote:Do you mean quiet ? as in no noise ? as in totally silent ?Canaan coal man wrote:First comparison it's sooooo quite
- Canaan coal man
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I will warn everyone that I don't have much scientific nerd stuff to back this whole thread, just my personal opinion which isn't worth much yet because this is my 4th year burning black rocks. Iv read many base burner vs box stove arguments, and this WILL not turn into one of those petty threads. I have yet to read a stoker vs base burner, so here we go boys.
This is what I'm going by. Same 1800sq ft 1923 house no upgrade insulation / or windows this summer, same triple insulated stainless chimney. First floor install on the far west side of the house. I have roughly 4tons of nut and 1.2ton of stove coal in my driveway ready to go. With the stoker I'd buy 5ton of rice and use roughly 4.5 tons. I'd burn oil from sept to middle of November when needed, and I'd use it on the really cold days to keep pipes from freezing in basement. I just started another thread saying I bought a older model cubby stove which will go into the basement to help with jan and February deep freeze. I will do my best to get valuable data before I play with the chubby in the basement, to keep things fair.
So here u go first bit of data.
Oat 46
Air temp stove room 78*
Air temp middle of house 76*
Back of house with doggie door wide open 66*
(I think that will rise it will take at least 12 hrs for the stove to level off the house I hope.)
Normally with Channing it was always a 10* different from stove room to back of house. Even with blower and fans
Barrel temp 350*
Stack above mpd 140*
Mpd almost shut
Draft .04-.05
Primary air set at 1/8 slivers
Secondary shut
Two coal hods to fill 40lbs
Temps recorded at 9:45pm 10/2/15
Here are some pics drool away.......
This is what I'm going by. Same 1800sq ft 1923 house no upgrade insulation / or windows this summer, same triple insulated stainless chimney. First floor install on the far west side of the house. I have roughly 4tons of nut and 1.2ton of stove coal in my driveway ready to go. With the stoker I'd buy 5ton of rice and use roughly 4.5 tons. I'd burn oil from sept to middle of November when needed, and I'd use it on the really cold days to keep pipes from freezing in basement. I just started another thread saying I bought a older model cubby stove which will go into the basement to help with jan and February deep freeze. I will do my best to get valuable data before I play with the chubby in the basement, to keep things fair.
So here u go first bit of data.
Oat 46
Air temp stove room 78*
Air temp middle of house 76*
Back of house with doggie door wide open 66*
(I think that will rise it will take at least 12 hrs for the stove to level off the house I hope.)
Normally with Channing it was always a 10* different from stove room to back of house. Even with blower and fans
Barrel temp 350*
Stack above mpd 140*
Mpd almost shut
Draft .04-.05
Primary air set at 1/8 slivers
Secondary shut
Two coal hods to fill 40lbs
Temps recorded at 9:45pm 10/2/15
Here are some pics drool away.......
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I might have missed something but you are in baseheater mode? I suppose your stack temp should tell me you are
- Canaan coal man
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Ya I forgot to add I'm in bb and I'm shooting for a 24 hour burn I'll keep u all posted
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Agree on the tweaking and the patience. Not so sure about the "unlike something mechanical" part. With a stoker you also would benefit from developing a "close relationship" so that you have a feel for what it needs based on how it looks and performs. You need a reasonable amount of "feel" to successfully ride a horse, as you do to drive a car. It's different for both, but that doesn't mean it's lacking in either.wsherrick wrote:You have the ability to tweak that Glenwood way beyond what you are aware of yet.
Be patient with it. Watch very closely how it reacts to various settings and conditions.
Unlike something mechanical, you must develop a close relationship with the Glenwood. As you learn it, you will find that it will tell exactly what it needs.
It will be found to be quite the faithful partner during the Winter.
And like franco, I will be deeply interested in the comparisons of the two types of stoves.
Mike
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I will be interested in developments as winter grinds on. Let's see what happens when you get it out of first gear. LOLBarrel temp 350*
Stack above mpd 140*
Mpd almost shut
Draft .04-.05
Primary air set at 1/8 slivers
Secondary shut
Pleez Mike, quit whilst you are still ahead. Spoken lke a gearhead moron.. hahahahahahahaYou need a reasonable amount of "feel" to successfully ride a horse, as you do to drive a car.
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Ok awoke at 5:30 to check the coal status in the house.
Stove room 83*
Middle of the house 80*
Back of house 70*
Oat 45* with cold drizzle
Barrel temp jumped to 425*
Stack still hangen at 140*
Draft at .05
In bb mode.
So I'm going to try this today to achieve a 24hr burn. I cut primary's back to 1/16" and mpd is at 45* now to help with draft as the stove cools and the oat warms today. The fire bed dropped from bottom of gas ring to middle of the top row of bricks. Gonna run to work now I'll be home around noon with an update.
Stove room 83*
Middle of the house 80*
Back of house 70*
Oat 45* with cold drizzle
Barrel temp jumped to 425*
Stack still hangen at 140*
Draft at .05
In bb mode.
So I'm going to try this today to achieve a 24hr burn. I cut primary's back to 1/16" and mpd is at 45* now to help with draft as the stove cools and the oat warms today. The fire bed dropped from bottom of gas ring to middle of the top row of bricks. Gonna run to work now I'll be home around noon with an update.
- Canaan coal man
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- Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood #6
- Coal Size/Type: Stove And Nut
I forgot to mention above but this is my first year with a hand feed of any kind, so this whole thing is an experiment to c how a hand feed works with my schedule and house setup.