Harman TLC 2000, Burning Wood

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:45 pm

WiCoal, there are lots of manufacturers that make and sell coal fired furnaces.. Just keep looking, you'll find them.

Greg L
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Re: Harman TLC 2000 --Clean out door ?

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:36 pm

Need to know if you guys are burning coal with the clean out door removed or installed ? What is that door actually doing ?
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:39 pm

I've been burning with the door out !!!! Been running good but I just read the manual and I think I am doing it wrong . Please tell me whats right.
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Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:44 pm

Jack Magnum wrote:I've been burning with the door out !!!! Been running good but I just read the manual and I think I am doing it wrong . Please tell me whats right.


Clean out door should be installed for coal burning. I think the manual recommends removing it for wood burning with the front load door open/removed & the(optional) fireplace screen in. Removed, it allows much more air out & up the chimney. It'll burn fine but waste allot of heat Jack. Put it back in. (I only take mine out when initially starting the draft)
Let us know....I'll bet you'll get much more heat from a lesser amount of coal.

Edit: Missed your question on the purpose of the clean out door. I believe it's there to trap hot air within the stove when not being used in "Fireplace" mode. (glass window door removed & screen installed)
Just consider the first year with any stove your...learning year! ;)
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:57 pm

Thanks Devil,
You know I read that before but actually just thought the door stayed in in when wood burning and coal too unless I was using the screen. Boy I am getting old.Thanks again :D
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: oliver power On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:00 pm

I agree with the other's. Get a masonary chimney. Should you go with the metal chimney, you want to get 316 grade, or better. You don't want 304 stainless for coal. I went with the metal chimney, ONLY because I installed it up through my floor, ceiling, and roof. Strait up, and out. It fit PERFECT, 2 inch clearances and all. No structure changes. Because I wanted my chimney to be interior, I would have had to make structure changes, should I have gone with masonary. Still, I wish I had masonary.
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:01 pm

Jack Magnum wrote:Thanks again :D


You're welcome Jack.

Just for my curiosity, let us know if you get a noticeable improvement in heat output & lower coal usage.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: BiG Jam On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:15 pm

OK here I go this is my first year with coal and this is my first stove. (coal)
Been burning now since nov 08 almost went through 3 tons!!! :mad:
Have had some problems The shaker does get stuck a lot and some ash from
opening the door. But all in all LOVE THE HEAT!!! :D
Only get about 9 hours of good burn time, then it gets low and not much heat.
I have read a lot and as for what Devil505 said about the 2nd layer of brick it's Great I did it. Thanks :lol:
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Stove/Furnace Model: TLC 2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:33 pm

BiG Jam wrote:Only get about 9 hours of good burn time, then it gets low and not much heat.


1. Are you filling the stove all the way up?
2. What temps are you burning at?
3. What size coal are you using?
4. Is the clean out door in place?


BiG Jam wrote:I have read a lot and as for what Devil505 said about the 2nd layer of brick it's Great I did it. Thanks :lol:


You're welcome! My daughter just added more brick too....Makes a big difference!
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: BiG Jam On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:39 pm

Hi Devil
Yes filling it to the top of the 2nd layer of brick
I can only get a reading of 300-350 don't know where is a good place to put temp gauge
Burning nut
Where is the clean out door?

:(
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut and Pea Mix
Other Heating: Oil hot water Propane
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC 2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:44 pm

BiG Jam wrote:Where is the clean out door?


Part # 7 on page 20 of the owner's manual.
http://www.harmanstoves.com/doc/tlc2000m.pdf
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


small lift out plate that goes at the base of the stack, accessible when the top load door is raised.

Do you need to run it that hot all the time to keep your house warm?
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: BiG Jam On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:05 pm

Yes clean out door in place
Need to run it about half way on the vent at bottom
Had vent open all the way last week with temps in the single digits
Still could not get house above 62.
With temps around 15-25 keeps house warm
Not super hot but Hot to keep house at 66-68
Back bed rooms 64-66 thats OK.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Nut and Pea Mix
Other Heating: Oil hot water Propane
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC 2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:12 pm

BiG Jam wrote:Need to run it about half way on the vent at bottom
Had vent open all the way last week with temps in the single digits
Still could not get house above 62.


Sounds like you are burning it normally but I never have to have my slider more than 1/2 -3/4 open anytime. (usually it is just barely open until the dead cold of winter)
Maybe you're asking too much from it? It's not meant to full heat a large home or one that isn't well insulated.

Tough to really figure out you problem without a detailed description/diagram of you house. (where's the stove, how many floors, rooms, ceiling heights, floor vents, fans, etc
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:47 am

I have my stove not more than 1/3 open and outside temps are 10 degrees and inside is 78 in stove room and 74 and 71 respectedly. When the outside temps were ----27 I have draft open a little more than halfway and not more than 3/4 with an inside temp of 80 !!!! My wife loves the even heat. She was hesitant about burning coal but really likes it now. I am shaking down probably more often than I need 8-9 hrs but I am getting quicker at reloads. I am gonna have to start poking soon I would imagine and that will be another learning experience. I thank Devil and the rest of you for all the info. I would be lost without it.
Jack
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:16 am

Well, I did my first shake down since putting back the clean out plate. First thing I noticed was a big difference with the stove pipe temp. When the plate was out and I was shaking down and had ash door open the pipe temp would rise pretty quickly and that's when I would add more coal . At about 350 degrees the coal added would pop so I added all the coal below 300 and watched the flames close. NOW! with the plate in place I see the flames shooting up and the pipe temp goes up very slowly. I finally added coal at 210 degrees and it started popping. Anyway, I added more and more until it was filled and waited for temp to come up before closing the ash door. The temp only rose to 225 or so but the blue flames were high so I just shut the ash door. Probably will take a day or so to see if I use less coal or not. Only other difference I see so far is the window was starting to get dirty with the clean out in place.
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