Harman TLC 2000, Burning Wood

Harman TLC 2000, Burning Wood

PostBy: treysgt On: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:52 pm

Hi-
I was hoping to get some opinions on this stove from those who have one or have owned one. I like the fact that you can burn normal size logs in it (my Mark1 is a bit tight!) It seems like a majorly different design from the Mark-series so I was curious on the level of quality? Also, the air control from the bottom is not the spin-control that I am used to. It looks like some kind of slider - does it work well? Thanks
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Robby On: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:37 am

I have a 2000. I burn bituminous, good quality and have had great success. Burn times as long as 36 hrs. Had to replace gasket on top loading door. No problems. Grates still look as new.

Robby
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:08 am

treysgt wrote:Hi-
I was hoping to get some opinions on this stove from those who have one or have owned one. I like the fact that you can burn normal size logs in it (my Mark1 is a bit tight!) It seems like a majorly different design from the Mark-series so I was curious on the level of quality? Also, the air control from the bottom is not the spin-control that I am used to. It looks like some kind of slider - does it work well? Thanks



My 3rd year burning a TLC-2000 & I highly recomend them. Welded & solid steel & very controlable even at low stove temps.
I have burned wood occasionaly but always find the glass gets black, probably due to the pine scraps I usualy burn, so I prefer to stick with coal. TheTLC uses slide controls for all its air control & they work very well. (2 vertical scondary air sliders next to the window door which I only use for wood fires & a horizontal slide on the ash door which also gives you great control) Harman touts the top load feature which I rarely use as you have very little control of where the coal ends up. One thing I would recommend is adding another layer of firebrick to the sides & back. I did this & find loading is now much easier & more coal can be loaded. I love he huge ash pan as it make things alot easier!
Another recomendation is to buy a blower fan for it. (either the expensive Harman blower or an alternative.(The TLC is a jacketed stove which allows very close installation to combustible walls but cuts down heat radiation without a blower)
One thing I did was to buy a "back-up" door/window assembly as the window cracked last year & I had to shut it down for a day while I went to the Harman dealer to replace the glass. If this happens again, now all I need to do is swap doors!)
(I had probably weakened the glass by using a paint scraper on it to clean off creosote......which I dcont do anymore)
All in all, I highly recomend the TLC! (My 3rd ...& best....coal stove)
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:10 am

Robby wrote:I have a 2000. I burn bituminous, good quality and have had great success. Burn times as long as 36 hrs. Had to replace gasket on top loading door. No problems. Grates still look as new.

Robby



How does the window hold up burning bituminous? (mine blackens right up when I burn wood)
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Robby On: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:22 pm

As long as I use good quality coal window blackening has not been a problem. Initialy when I add large load of coal the window gets some soot, but burns off later. I do load thru the top only. Load one side right up, wait 1/2 hour or so, then load the other side. Each spring I give it a good clean, including the glass. That's it.

I did try some coal from another mine. Huge clinkers, some black rocks, real crap.


Where I am coal is very inexpensive, about $38.00 a ton, but I have to haul about 200 miles which costs more than the coal. It's still very inexpensive heat.


Robby
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:49 am

Robby wrote:As long as I use good quality coal window blackening has not been a problem. Initialy when I add large load of coal the window gets some soot, but burns off later. I do load thru the top only. Load one side right up, wait 1/2 hour or so, then load the other side. Each spring I give it a good clean, including the glass. That's it.

I did try some coal from another mine. Huge clinkers, some black rocks, real crap.


Where I am coal is very inexpensive, about $38.00 a ton, but I have to haul about 200 miles which costs more than the coal. It's still very inexpensive heat.


Robby




Have you added a layer of firebrick to your stove? I did, & now I am able to top load ocasionaly, without spraying coal all over the place & I can get more coal in there.
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Wed May 14, 2008 11:15 pm

How much coal do you use a day when the temps are in the single digits and how often does your stove need cleaning. I am looking at 2 stoves right now. Both Harman .One is the DVC 500 and the TLC 2000. Pretty sure I'll opt for the latter due to numerous power outages and brown outs. I would appreciate any and all info on how to run the stove. Thanks guys.
Jack
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu May 15, 2008 7:22 am

Jack Magnum wrote:How much coal do you use a day when the temps are in the single digits and how often does your stove need cleaning. I am looking at 2 stoves right now. Both Harman .One is the DVC 500 and the TLC 2000. Pretty sure I'll opt for the latter due to numerous power outages and brown outs. I would appreciate any and all info on how to run the stove. Thanks guys.
Jack


When it's real cold out I may burn a bag (40 lbs) a day....In the warmer weather about half that. Allot is going to depend on your house though. (how big, how tight, how good is your circulation, etc)
You'll find the slider control is very precise & easy to use. Again, I would recommend adding another layer of fire brick to give you more height for easier loading & a deeper coal bed. The stove has secondary air controls for wood fires but I rarely burn wood & those controls stay closed all the time.
If you can avoid it, I recommend staying away from direct venting for noise, electric expense & need for power to operate your stove. (nothing like the security of knowing you'll always have heat, even during a power outage)
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Fri May 16, 2008 4:00 am

Devil5052 wrote:
Jack Magnum wrote:How much coal do you use a day when the temps are in the single digits and how often does your stove need cleaning. I am looking at 2 stoves right now. Both Harman .One is the DVC 500 and the TLC 2000. Pretty sure I'll opt for the latter due to numerous power outages and brown outs. I would appreciate any and all info on how to run the stove. Thanks guys.
Jack


When it's real cold out I may burn a bag (40 lbs) a day....In the warmer weather about half that. Allot is going to depend on your house though. (how big, how tight, how good is your circulation, etc)
You'll find the slider control is very precise & easy to use. Again, I would recommend adding another layer of fire brick to give you more height for easier loading & a deeper coal bed. The stove has secondary air controls for wood fires but I rarely burn wood & those controls stay closed all the time.
If you can avoid it, I recommend staying away from direct venting for noise, electric expense & need for power to operate your stove. (nothing like the security of knowing you'll always have heat, even during a power outage)
Thanks a bunch for the info. My wife and I bought a Harman today BUT Not the TLC 2000. I had my wife talked into it but the sales guy had both units there and told her how much more attendence the 2000 would be plus having an ugly s.s. chimney etc. I told her of the advantages and that it could burn about any coal but she still wanted the direct. I told her I didn't want to hear it when the power went out. I guess I should have gone by myself.
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri May 16, 2008 6:57 am

Anything Harman makes is good.....Good luck with it!
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu May 22, 2008 9:20 pm

Got permission from Jack to repost these pm's in which he is discussing his thinking in re the Harman TLC 2000 & the DVC 500. I have been recommending the TLC but figured he would benefit from more input than just mine: (There is probably a better way to post these but this was easiest)

PM's below:


Re: TLC 2000
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 9:01 pm
by Jack Magnum

No problem at all, and thanks
Jack
Re: TLC 2000
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 7:32 pm
by Devil5052

I think you would get more input if we posted these pm's in a normal thread for all to give their input too. Any problems with me posting these in a new thread?
Re: TLC 2000
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 7:20 pm
by Devil5052

Jack Magnum wrote:
Your probably right about being high priced. Both dealers were witin 100 bucks of each other though and the other dealer didn't seem interested in selling .I called there twice and went to his showroom twice and they said they would give me a call but he didn't bother.The DVC-500 toataled up to 4,700 tax and installation. I have a buddy that could have helped me do either install but the stove guy put the concern in my wifes head about insurance paying out if there was a house fire. My wifes brother is our insurance guy and he said yep, Should be installed by a professional and make sure it makes code. he double wall pipe is 202 for a 4' section and the tee cleanout was 350 by itself.The dealer didn't give us a final price on the TLC 2000 but said because of double wall pipe and installation the cost would be similar to the DVC 500. The TLC 2000 will put off enough heat to dry my ice fishing clothes RIGHT !

I suggest you contact your town & ask the building inspecter to come out & sign off that your stove is properly installed when you get it. That's what I did & that will cover any insurance worries. I know of no code requirement anywhere to use double wall stove pipe from the stove to you chimney. (that would waste some nice heat you get from the exhaust pipes b4 it enters the chimney) A few (cheap) sections of 6" black stove pipe is all I have ever seen used. Read the installation threads here & ask some questions. It is pretty simple & cheap to do & having the building inspector sign off on it will allay any worries.
Quote Jack Magnum Re: TLC 2000
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 5:30 pm
by Jack Magnum

Your probably right about being high priced. Both dealers were witin 100 bucks of each other though and the other dealer didn't seem interested in selling .I called there twice and went to his showroom twice and they said they would give me a call but he didn't bother.The DVC-500 toataled up to 4,700 tax and installation. I have a buddy that could have helped me do either install but the stove guy put the concern in my wifes head about insurance paying out if there was a house fire. My wifes brother is our insurance guy and he said yep, Should be installed by a professional and make sure it makes code. he double wall pipe is 202 for a 4' section and the tee cleanout was 350 by itself.The dealer didn't give us a final price on the TLC 2000 but said because of double wall pipe and installation the cost would be similar to the DVC 500. The TLC 2000 will put off enough heat to dry my ice fishing clothes RIGHT !
Re: TLC 2000
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 4:50 pm
by Devil5052

I just got off the telephone with my Harman dealer in New Bedfoird, Mass. Who quoted me $1469.00 for a new TLC-2000 with a black door & no blower. (The list price was over $1800.00) Your local dealers sound high!
Re: TLC 2000
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 4:09 pm
by Devil5052

Jack Magnum wrote:
I wish it was 1500.00 Here in N.Y. 2 dealers both quoted me after a discount around 2000 grand with options--gold door and accents, cozy screen for wood burning and the blower motor.Plus the double wall pipe etc. and installation is about equal to the DVC 500 installed. Alot of money and I thought long and hard on it but really no choice with fuel oil currently being 4.30 a gallon.I still have some wood left but we really wanted to get away from the constant playing with the wood insert. Too much tending time. I told my wife she would like that aspect. From what I've read here about Harman NOT wanting to talk directly to the customer I hope we don't have problems. Another reason to go with the TLC 2000. One thing sticks in my mind about a couple of dealers coments about warranty. Supposedly, Full warranty BUT they told me Harman might only want to reembursh them 50 bucks when they charge 70 so the difference might have to be paid by us. I said well, That's not a full warranty to me.Anyway, Without those motors and fans it seems it should be less costly in the long run.
Jack

Harman is a great company & I've never had a problem going through my dealer for questions, which was once.As far as the options are concrned, I went with the gold trim but the black door & no wood screen or blower fan. (I connected a better blower from Lowes for $30.00 that works great!) A chimney is something that you will need no matter what you end up with, but you shouldn't need any installation services. Just have the deliver it & you can connect it to the chimney with a few cheap 6" stovepipes. The TLC is built like a tank with very few moving parts to worry about & Harman will stand behind their stoves. Read as much as you can on this forum. You'll never hear Harman being bad mouthed!
Quote Jack Magnum Re: TLC 2000
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 3:29 pm
by Jack Magnum

I wish it was 1500.00 Here in N.Y. 2 dealers both quoted me after a discount around 2000 grand with options--gold door and accents, cozy screen for wood burning and the blower motor.Plus the double wall pipe etc. and installation is about equal to the DVC 500 installed. Alot of money and I thought long and hard on it but really no choice with fuel oil currently being 4.30 a gallon.I still have some wood left but we really wanted to get away from the constant playing with the wood insert. Too much tending time. I told my wife she would like that aspect. From what I've read here about Harman NOT wanting to talk directly to the customer I hope we don't have problems. Another reason to go with the TLC 2000. One thing sticks in my mind about a couple of dealers coments about warranty. Supposedly, Full warranty BUT they told me Harman might only want to reembursh them 50 bucks when they charge 70 so the difference might have to be paid by us. I said well, That's not a full warranty to me.Anyway, Without those motors and fans it seems it should be less costly in the long run.
Jack
Re: TLC 2000
Sent at: Thu May 22, 2008 8:02 am
by Devil5052

No problem about the bugging me. The TLC should be cheaper than the DVC. (I think I heard somewhere in the $1500.00 range)

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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Mon May 26, 2008 9:20 am

I've got 2 questions,What size coal burns best in the TLC 2000 ? I will be ordering soon and will be ordering a few tons. Also ,Where is the best pricing for metalbestos chimney pipe ?
Jack
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon May 26, 2008 7:50 pm

Jack Magnum wrote:I've got 2 questions,What size coal burns best in the TLC 2000 ? I will be ordering soon and will be ordering a few tons. Also ,Where is the best pricing for metalbestos chimney pipe ?
Jack



I have never burned any size but Nut due to availability here. I have read that Pea will give you a longer burn but not put out as much heat. (Good for fall & late winter) I have had no problems burning just Nut size though.
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: Jack Magnum On: Tue May 27, 2008 9:24 am

Thanks for the response Devil.
Jack
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Re: Harman TLC 2000

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue May 27, 2008 9:43 am

The coal stove dealers in Michigan had a sale going this spring,, forum member 'Greg White' bought a TLC 2000 to replace the wood only version of the TLC he has in his house... He has a Harman SF150 in his shop and is a true convert from wood to coal..

His local Harman dealer [about 80 miles away !] had a special going.. the TLC was about $1450... and a free ton of bagged Blaschak coal thrown in on the deal... Pretty good deal I think..

Jack,, if you can, buy some of both pea and nut size coal.. and try them both... for maximum heat output, nut will be better,, but you might like the pea size for most of the time..

Greg L
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