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Post by Christine » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 1:26 pm

Since there are no 'directions' for the installation of a Warm Morning six81, can someone help me out?
I live in a tiny mobile home: 8x41. Space is an issue, which is one reason I chose the Warm Morning.
How much of a base do I need? Ideally??? HB Board on a plywood base? Sizes?


 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 2:02 pm

Steve, (Kingcoal) should be along soon to help. He has a bunch of Warm Mornings in all sizes.

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Post by Smokeyja » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 2:04 pm

Christine wrote:Since there are no 'directions' for the installation of a Warm Morning six81, can someone help me out?
I live in a tiny mobile home: 8x41. Space is an issue, which is one reason I chose the Warm Morning.
How much of a base do I need? Ideally??? HB Board on a plywood base? Sizes?
first off make sure that wood stoves/coal stoves are even legal in a mobile home. Second you need to find out the codes for clearances for installing your stove in your area. Not that I am suggesting you need to follow them to a T but they will give you a good reference.

Can you post some photos of this model? I do not recall what size the 681 is . Also some dimensions of the base . That will determine what size stove board you want to use. You can also use hardy board as well .

Here is a photo of the most localities clearances on woodstoves /coal stoves . At least this is the basic numbers I remember reading.
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different materials around the stove and double wall flue pipe change things as well.
this was mine when I first started out. and these clearances worked just fine .
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Post by KingCoal » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 3:04 pm

HA, there are several senior members here that were using WM stoves LONG before I even heard of them.

for now it looks like it's covered until we can get some pics and figure out if "make up air" can be arranged.

hot stoves in small space can use up oxygen pretty fast.

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Post by franco b » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 3:42 pm

In general a stove in a mobile home should have a dedicated fresh air intake for the stove. Withou that a window should be partly open all the time because a mobile home is tighter than a house and the stove needs air.

Here are two Warm Morning manuals.

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Post by Smokeyja » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 4:06 pm

and remember those "normal" guidelines in the Warm Morning manuals and what I posted are for site built homes not mobile homes.

refer to this article for a little bit more info on mobile home specific installation.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-l ... ozgoe.aspx

 
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Post by Christine » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 7:21 pm

It is a model six81 Warm Morning.
Then there is this one I wanted to get, but thought it might be too big for my small space.
I am removing my small Coleman furnace to make space.
I have a fresh air intake that the furnace used.

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Post by Smokeyja » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 7:29 pm

Christine wrote:It is a model six81 Warm Morning.
Then there is this one I wanted to get, but thought it might be too big for my small space.
I am removing my small Coleman furnace to make space.
I have a fresh air intake that the furnace used.
I'm confused . You say it's a 681 ? Are you sure you didn't mean a 618? And that top photo is a 617-A and the bottom I'm not sure on . Maybe it's the 618 as Kingcoal mentioned in your other thread .

Here is a listing of grate sizes for warm mornings and I don't see a 681 listed .
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http://a1stoves.com/free/WarmMorningpartslist1.jpg
Do you actually have the stove you purchased that you are going to install yet ? Can we get photos of that? Also where you are located ?
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Post by KingCoal » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 7:34 pm

the 617A heater would be the one i'd choose for your needs.

it's a 60# capacity stove that is easily managed and very economical to operate.

the same things need to be looked at carefully, barrel, bricks, grates. esp. bricks, these are very expensive to replace.

hope it works out well with you,
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Post by Christine » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 8:03 pm

Well, she was wrong, I just got more pics and of course, you are right on the model of the first one ( the one I was going to get already).

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Post by Christine » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 8:05 pm

I'm in Meadville PA. I have seen numerous pics of these units just sitting on some bricks . It looks good, but wondered if it would be advisable?
I really appreciate ALL the info and help!!!

 
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Post by Smokeyja » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 8:31 pm

Christine , now that we know your in PA a lot of guys on the forum are from the area so they will know exactly the requirements for a stove installations in the area .

The 617 is just like my 414 but larger . Do you see the base ?
There is a lot of airspace under there so although it is safer to give the stove a lot of floor space it's not necessary as you can see in the photo of my stove I posted . That bottom doesn't get hot . Because it is tall and skinny you can put this in a small space and it was a good choice . I think if you could put down some hardy board or stove board and then bricks you won't have an issue . Just make sure you have good clearances and insulation near the sides as that is where the heat really comes from , the sides and the top. Make sure to go through the stove and seal it the best you can.
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Post by SWPaDon » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 8:37 pm

The firebricks look very nice in that corner. That sove will supply you with lots of heat.

 
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Post by franco b » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 8:38 pm

Christine wrote:I'm in Meadville PA. I have seen numerous pics of these units just sitting on some bricks . It looks good, but wondered if it would be advisable?
I really appreciate ALL the info and help!!!
If you are referring to just sitting the stove on four bricks, then a sheet of metal over the bricks and then the stove on the metal will provide a much better heat shield.

 
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Post by KingCoal » Thu. Oct. 22, 2015 8:54 pm

Christine wrote:Well, she was wrong, I just got more pics and of course, you are right on the model of the first one ( the one I was going to get already).
that stove, WM 617A, is in very good internal shape. the exterior could be dealt with when you have time.

if you can make a comfortable deal on it it will make a fine stove for you.

will there be a way to move air around the stove and the living space ?

steve


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