Warm Morning Firebrick Chimneys

Sunny Boy · Post by **Sunny Boy** » Mon. Oct. 26, 2015 3:07 pm

Smokeyja wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:Ok Josh, thanks. We posted at the same time.

So that picture makes perfect sense, now. The corner blocks don't open directly to primary air so they can't act like a bypass check damper.

And as the volatiles burn off, the ash also builds up and automatically limits how much primary air can come up through those corner blocks. Ok, I understand now.

Thank you again.

Paul
No worries Paul! This was a good discussion. I had to sell myself on it first and actually think about this. I feel like I actually got to exercise my brain at work a little today haha .

That's how I see all these discussions, too.

And at my age, the brain needs lots of exercise !

Paul

Smokeyja · Post by **Smokeyja** » Mon. Oct. 26, 2015 3:19 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:
That's how I see all these discussions, too.

And at my age, the brain needs lots of exercise !

Paul

I just don't feel like anything productive gets done at my job... blah

anyways I found some old photos when I first started out on this forum.
Below you will see those neat little flue flames. And now that I look at the photo again I remember , it's not just the primary air to come up , it was more to burn the volatiles rising up mixed with the primary air from the lower portion of the bed in order to coke the coal below quicker and to turn that all into usable heat .

and I had forgotten about my little WM thread and burning anthracite in it . The first post was updated to reflect my results so you don't have to read the whole thread. I can't believe it's already been 4 years!

WV Bit Vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM Stove

Post by **franco b** » Mon. Oct. 26, 2015 3:20 pm

The central portion of the stove above the openings of the bricks acts like a magazine and is labeled as such by Warm Morning. Exhaust does not have to pass through the tall bed of coal, but instead there is a combustion zone fed by the coal above.

Post by **Lightning** » Mon. Oct. 26, 2015 3:53 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:Ok Josh, thanks. We posted at the same time.

So that picture makes perfect sense, now. The corner blocks don't open directly to primary air so they can't act like a bypass check damper.

And as the volatiles burn off, the ash also builds up and automatically limits how much primary air can come up through those corner blocks. Ok, I understand now.

Thank you again.

Paul

I also thought the corner chimneys went straight down to the ash pan area..

I recant what I said earlier..
It's about time somebody posted a picture to set us straight!!

I like that design, neato..

windyhill4.2 · Post by **windyhill4.2** » Mon. Oct. 26, 2015 5:05 pm

Josh,thanks for posting that pic.,that is really neat,don't think I have ever seen that style stove fired up & then fire coming out the dual exhaust too.

scalabro · Post by **scalabro** » Mon. Oct. 26, 2015 5:17 pm

Those pics give me an idea of how to add heated secondary air to a suspended pot Stewart during its re-lining procedure

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Mon. Oct. 26, 2015 7:35 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:Steve,
Your right. My experience with a Warm Morning is zero. However, my experience with anthracite and wood in several different types of stoves with secondarys and check dampers, including a lot of testing them, well that's only somewhere over 20 years worth.

Have you yet run any of your Warm Mornings, as originally designed, with just anthracite ?

I'm trying to understand how the large openings up through the corner blocks, that I see in the pictures that Christine posted in her thread - Warm Morning Installation - wouldn't negatively affect the primary air movement up through an all anthracite firebed.

You say the Warm Morning recommended coal level is a couple inches from the top. Is that from the top of the corner blocks ? And you also mention that the design of the grates affects the corner block primary air openings. Would you please how ?

Paul

i'm a bit late back to the party and it looks like the physics of these stoves has been handled and understood to a fuller measure.

yes, I cheated and ran about 30# thru one of the Locke 120's when I first got it. as you can see from Josh's pic they will produce those blow torch blues up the chimney flues no matter how deep they are run.

yes, the manual I saw said to start and feed a fire till it was right up near the tops of the corner blocks / flue bricks. I don't feel that is a mandatory technique. in fact, i'm so sure I spent extra design time on my stove to be able to run at varying depths according to the season and amount of heat required as well as ability to achieve long burns to fit an unstable schedule.

steve

Photog200 · Post by **Photog200** » Mon. Oct. 26, 2015 8:02 pm

This is so cool, I have been thinking that a crane 44 or 88 would be a good replacement stove for my garage for my kitchen range. Once I build my Summer kitchen and move my stove from the garage, I would want some heat in the garage. Now I can see that I might want to keep my eyes open for a good warm morning!

Randy

stovepipemike · Post by **stovepipemike** » Tue. Oct. 27, 2015 9:47 am

Photog, Don't sell the Crane 44 or88 short. These Crane models do indeed have a similar channel [2 places] welded into them to accomplish the same effect. Look to the right and left behind the refractory when you open the loading door. Mr Crane covered a lot of territory with his little stoves. Mike

Photog200 · Post by **Photog200** » Tue. Oct. 27, 2015 10:21 am

stovepipemike wrote:Photog, Don't sell the Crane 44 or88 short. These Crane models do indeed have a similar channel [2 places] welded into them to accomplish the same effect. Look to the right and left behind the refractory when you open the loading door. Mr Crane covered a lot of territory with his little stoves. Mike

Thank you Mike for that info, when I get the chance to check one out in person, that will be the first thing I look for.

Randy

Sunny Boy · Post by **Sunny Boy** » Tue. Oct. 27, 2015 12:07 pm

Photog200 wrote:
stovepipemike wrote:Photog, Don't sell the Crane 44 or88 short. These Crane models do indeed have a similar channel [2 places] welded into them to accomplish the same effect. Look to the right and left behind the refractory when you open the loading door. Mr Crane covered a lot of territory with his little stoves. Mike
Thank you Mike for that info, when I get the chance to check one out in person, that will be the first thing I look for.

Randy

You've got a base heater, two large oaks, and a beautiful kitchen range, all tops for their type ..... and your still looking. Yup, your hooked !

Paul

Photog200 · Post by **Photog200** » Tue. Oct. 27, 2015 3:27 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:
You've got a base heater, two large oaks, and a beautiful kitchen range, all tops for their type ..... and your still looking. Yup, your hooked !

Paul

No, that's not true, I can stop anytime I want, really, I can. Oh look, a Art Andes!

Randy

Smokeyja · Post by **Smokeyja** » Tue. Oct. 27, 2015 3:42 pm

Photog200 wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:
You've got a base heater, two large oaks, and a beautiful kitchen range, all tops for their type ..... and your still looking. Yup, your hooked !

Paul
No, that's not true, I can stop anytime I want, really, I can. Oh look, a Art Andes!

Randy

Hah if I could I would own more as well. I am only at 4 stoves at the moment but if you look in my driveway you will see 10 cars. I had to start selling some of my Camera collection which I know you can appreciate .

hman · Post by **hman** » Tue. Oct. 27, 2015 8:55 pm

I am still wanting to find an 818 Warm Morning or maybe a 460.I have not looked real hard but I will come across one when I least expect it.

Photog200 · Post by **Photog200** » Wed. Oct. 28, 2015 7:49 am

Smokeyja wrote:
Photog200 wrote:
No, that's not true, I can stop anytime I want, really, I can. Oh look, a Art Andes!

Randy
Hah if I could I would own more as well. I am only at 4 stoves at the moment but if you look in my driveway you will see 10 cars. I had to start selling some of my Camera collection which I know you can appreciate .

Yes, I can appreciate selling a camera collection, I sold most of mine when I bought this house.

Randy

Warm Morning Firebrick Chimneys

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