Old Crane 404, New owner

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:43 pm

Goody22, With coal you want to FILL the fire pot,with it only 1/2 full the draft pulls thru much easier which makes for a hotter fire. FILL the pot & heap it,that will give you a slow ,consistent burn. Others speak of things called clinkers.... I think i have only ever seen them in pics.I have read that poking & prodding on the top of the coal bed will help to form clinkers,that is why i do not mess with the coal bed from the top. I shake the grates & poke/slice from below. We have run our 404 up to 650* at times ,but 500-600* would be more avg during the brutal cold spells. As far as secondary air... I did not grind my pot smooth as some have done,i did not worry as to whether the top of the pot is a tight fit to the pot seat,i also do not have all my stove door glass air tight,i have not modified my stove,i use a baro to limit the draft. Currently the stove top is 280*,pipe at the thimble is 100*,both temps are IR gun. I like to Keep It Sensible Simple,without lots of fuss & bother,i also like it warm in the house when it is cold outside.Current house temp in this room is 78*, I am :D
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Goody22 On: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:20 am

Just shook down and filled to the top this morning. Having to work PM is really messing with my ability to fine tune the stove when temp is cold outside. I did have some nice blues last night when I got home though.
Windy, I'll be sure to fill the pot to the brim. I'll post some Temps later tonight when I get home. I've gone through maybe a 5 gallon bucket in the last 3 days. Overall I'm very happy with these early results. I think I may be letting too much heat out the flu though. There has been about a 100 degree difference between the stove and flu. I'll post the temp difference later tonight and see what you guys think.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1982 Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:24 am

I will have to post a pic of a FULL pot,maybe yours is just falling out tho toothy
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:17 pm

Nice fire, although I'm confused by the picture.
Is that an inverted view of the hopper?
:woot:
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Overmodified/Bored out Clayton 1537
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Awesome Size

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:17 pm

now maybe the coal won't fall out.
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous
Other Heating: Oil furnace

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:01 pm

SWPaDon wrote:now maybe the coal won't fall out.

Now it will be much easier to fill that pot. Must have been a super strong draft pulling the coal into the pot. toothy
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Goody22 On: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:37 pm

Hahaha. Yea....picture was upside down.....running at 404 on the stove and 280 on the flu. Keep in mind my flew is only 22 inches horizontally then right into the chimney.
Windy, I've been filling the pot to the top. Should it be higher than the pot rim?
Goody22
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1982 Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Goody22 On: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:39 pm

12 inches I meant.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1982 Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:51 pm

I fill mine full & then heap it up a few inches above that. More coal to sit in there & get preheated for the next time,more coal to help push the ashes down thru the grates,more coal so the stove output stays more consistent. I have no issues with klinkers,no fussing with the stove in between the 12 hr tendings.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:00 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:I fill mine full & then heap it up a few inches above that. More coal to sit in there & get preheated for the next time,more coal to help push the ashes down thru the grates,more coal so the stove output stays more consistent. I have no issues with klinkers,no fussing with the stove in between the 12 hr tendings.


I have to ask what brand coal draft and stove temps do you get 12 hours between tending?

I run Blaschack nut, .02, 350 to 400 stove top with mpd closed. I fill like you do.
Tending is pretty much text book A shake clear and refill takes less than 5 minutes with raking under the grates and having them all lit up. As time goes on it takes more fiddling to get back to that point like I am falling behind slowly.
ddahlgren
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:59 am

Bulk Reading nut, draft is on avg. @ .03-.04, 350-400* stove top is a piece of cake to do 12 hr tending. During the most brutal temps of last winter i did a 3 times/day tending to help maintain the most consistent output. This stove is not our only heat source,it just makes our living area much more comfy while the air ex changer pulls heat from the EFM coal burner to maintain the whole house temps.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both