Old Crane 404, New Owner

Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Goody22 On: Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:27 pm

Hey guys,

Just sold my propane stove and picked up this beauty. I'm new to coal, and haven't even fired the stove up yet. I had to build the box under the stove to make it fit to my chimney. I'm hoping to heat my 1500 sq. ft. house, or at least supplement my propane usage this winter with this stove. It has obviously been used, but it appears to be in good shape. My only concern is that the shaker handle only moves about 2-3 inches back and forth when shaking, but the shakers do move back and forth.

Any suggestions before I fire this thing up in a week or so?

Also, anyone have a line on handles? I am planning on whittling my own, but it would be nice if the stock handles would be available.

-Goody
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1982 Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:57 pm

Goody22 , Welcome to the coal forum & to burning coal with a 404.I only bought my 404 in 2014,used it all last winter & now have it going again. If you care to read the whole story on mine,the thread is titled Crane 404 Our first coal burner.Coalvet is likely the most seasoned user of this stove,hopefully he will chime in with advice. As you have noticed,the shakers do not move far on this stove,it has a great grate system,they just don't move far enough to do the job effectively enough. Coalvet advised poking/slicing,that works great... I do a bit of shaking until I see hot coals dropping & then use my poker tool to clear the rest. At first it seems to be a nuisance but after doing it a few times it is an easy thing to do. Do you have a baro or mpd in the pipe between the stove & fireplace ? Our stove is a muti-purpose stove,it cooks food too,besides warming our bones.
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My wife cooks pretty much of our meals on top of this stove during heating season.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Goody22 On: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:42 pm

Windy,

Thanks for your reply!

Shortly after making this thread I read yours. Got a lot of good info out of it! I haven't attached a damper at all yet. I was going to see how it burned without a damper first, what do you think?
Goody22
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1982 Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:48 pm

That leaves only the primary air knobs on the ash door to control the draft,i like having the baro on mine,it automatically takes care of the draft spikes when the wind picks up. Their is a link in my thread to view the user manual for the 404,you might want to see what the stove manufacturer recommends ,i would be leary without the baro,but we do get lots of wind here.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:53 pm

Central Pa, whereabouts ?? It is interesting to see where others are in relation to us.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:54 pm

Goody22 wrote:Windy,

Thanks for your reply!

Shortly after making this thread I read yours. Got a lot of good info out of it! I haven't attached a damper at all yet. I was going to see how it burned without a damper first, what do you think?


Hi Goody 22, without any type of draft limiting device in the chimney or in the stove to you will be contributing greatly to global warming. ;)
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box stove, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Baseburners & Antiques: Home Sparkle 12
Coal Size/Type: Coal Contractor's stove, a little Kimmels 'nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:46 am

Hi,

That's a nice looking set up but I'm concerned about about the wooden floor. Hot coal has been known to "spit" out while you are tending the fire or emptying the ash pan. My stove sits 18 inches back from where the hearth brick ends before my hardwood floor starts and I still have a couple of scorched spots on the floor. That's not to say I've been careless either, things happen. It's a good thing that coal doesn't burn well when isolated.

You may want to extend the hearth another 18 inches or so. They have non-flammable hearth rugs that would do that without you having to do anymore construction. Me, I took 12 inch ceramic tiles and mounted them on 1/4 plywood for a 2 foot by 3 foot extension. Since it's mounted on the plywood, I can move it out of the way when the stoves not burning. I got the tile from the Re-stove so it was inexpensive. Just a thought, enjoy the heat! Lisa
lowfog01
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Mark II & Mark I
Coal Size/Type: nut/pea

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:21 am

As far as the door handles.....My loading door handle wore out,i cut a piece off an old sledge hammer handle & drilled it & installed it instead. The Crane stove rep is most times missing in action,so we are on our own for finding parts.Not sure what parts are actually available anymore ,the company went out of business quite a few yrs ago.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: coalvet On: Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:25 am

Nice install. Windy nailed it as far as the shaking and poking process. Just make sure you poke and slice from underneath, leave the top of the coal bed alone. Even with the correct shaker handle you won't get much action out of those grates. There are many types of pokers that have been made by members of the forum, 1/4" steel rod bent to shape works very well as a poker. Good luck with your new stove!
coalvet
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane Model 404, Harman MK I
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: NG Boiler

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Goody22 On: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:31 pm

Thanks for all the support guys!

Windy, Unfortunately the hearth was put into the house before I purchased it, and the dimensions make no sense to me. At some point someone moved the wall thimble about 3 feet down. This became a problem trying to fit any stove. I had almost given up on fitting stoves until I came across this 404. It also presents a problem with the baro damper. There is only about 6 inches between the stove and wall, making it impossible to fit anything. I could move the stove forward, but I don't believe the added room would be sufficient either.
I'm in Middletown PA, just down the road from you!

Lisa, Thanks for the info about the rugs. I'm going to try and acquire one of them shortly.

Vet, I am planning on stopping at the scrap yard this week. I'm going to find some scrap to make a poker out of. Planning on putting some wooden handles and everything on it. I'll post some pics as soon as I'm able.

Anyone have any other ideas about fitting a baro damper? Or do you think I should see how a manual damper works first?
I guess the correct thing to do would be to have someone with a manometer measure the draft?

Staying tuned.........
Goody22
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1982 Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:48 pm

You can get a manometer relatively cheap and leave it hooked up all the time.

http://www.amazon.com/Dwyer-25-Manomete ... FDK59CGRR7

All you need to go with it is piece of 3/16 steel brake line, that is available at any auto parts store.
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous
Other Heating: Oil furnace

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Goody22 On: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:07 pm

I think I'm going to go with the magnehelic gauge set up such as Windy has done. I believe I can put it into a wooden box and run copper tubing to it. It would also add some flare to the install as well.

Thanks!
Goody22
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1982 Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:44 pm

Member ddahlgren has reported a significant improvement in his Crane 404 by adding over fire air provision to his stove. Perhaps he could show us what he did.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: Goody22 On: Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:21 pm

AND SO IT BEGINS!!

Last Friday I got the manometer installed in hopes it will help me keep the manual damper dialed in.

I also found the poke you see below, and it works great for removing the ash as CoalVet and Windyhill talked about!
I started the fire Saturday morning and then added some coal. Within two hours I had to open the windows. Got so hot in the house I decided against adding more coal that night. Woke up the next morning and the fire was nearly out. Added a few pieces of wood, and them some coal and whamo!

The pictures below show the fire on the right side of the stove. This was when I was adding wood and coal, I had to drag the fire across the pot yet.

I've been a little worried about taking the stove top too much over the 500 degree temp. What temp do you guys take the crane stoves to?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: 1982 Crane 404

Re: Old Crane 404, New owner

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:18 pm

franco b wrote:Member ddahlgren has reported a significant improvement in his Crane 404 by adding over fire air provision to his stove. Perhaps he could show us what he did.


I will dig through the photos or take another as all pretty simple. have had blues for the last 3-4 hours on Blaschack tonight. Without secondary cracked would have all gone up the chimney. I have to night blues that started at around 4:30 and close to 9 and still going though a bit shorter but still free heat will say too much secondary blows them out so does not take much beyond designed in with holes drilled around fire pot. I have found contrary to windy hill that a good poke down from the top only on the front and back edges of fire pot knocks a bunch loose. The shake and rake grates with greatest effort on front and rear of grates as center clears easily.

I have had mine up to 740 for a short time and DCrane told me to stop that as will take it to the graveyard at least the fire pot. I consider 600 last resort now but it will become a clinker factory in my experience. I have settled on trying for 300 to 500 depending on weather and will sneak to 600 for a short time if really cold out or somehow fell behind but the as I said a clinker factory and a shutdown and clean out coming in the future.

As stated I have found the grates will shake the coal bed and collapse the ashes to the bottom more or less but without working the bottom of the grates it is going nowhere and will only fuse to a clinker. Without working front and back edges of fire pot clinkers again at least with mine as that is where I find at least 50% of ashes.

Just my take on this stove but no reason to change so far. It heats well wastes little that is my job from dropping too many coals when clearing grates. If I bought a BB with the prices it is a 10 year payback and don't see me doing this in 10 years as dead in 15 if insurance actuaries and cardio doc have the slightest clue and ok it that my fate. I still get to see my grand daughter grow into a delightful young woman get to take her fishing and teach her how to shoot so never afraid for her safety. I can live with that.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404