pvolcko wrote:If the person didn't directly apologize for it afterward, no probably not. McCain did apologize for it to both the first family (and Chelsea directly, I believe) and Reno. He may do a lot of apologizing, but at least he knows when he has gone over the line and owns up to his mistakes. I don't see anything approaching that level of personal integrity in Obama and certainly not in Hillary. Please ploint out where you find anything Obama has done (himself, other than sitting in church) that discloses a lack of personal integerity
The man has sworn at people, has a temper, and has made a bad joke or two in his time. Who hasn't been guilty of these charges? Oh and he's aged. That tears it, by all means kick him to the curb. Impugn his reputation with scurrilous accusations of mental defect. Condemn him. If age or current mental state should not be considered then why not dig up & re-elect Abe Lincoln? He was a great President!! Should we not elect him just because he is presently dead? Call out "concerns" and demand more and more disclosure in the pursuit of honesty and openness, all while the dem candidates skate by with obfuscations, spin, and deceit (at least until very recently). I'm sure all our prior Presidents were white-tongued, mild mannered, youthful, perpetually good natured jokesters.
And please, can we drop this 100 years of war harangue? He isn't advocating anything of the sort. If you're against the bases in Germany and Japan and South Korea, then fine be against the long term Iraq presence he is speaking of, but that kind of presence is all he meant by that statement and I suspect you (and you know who you all are) know that. Comparing the occupation in Iraq, where the Iraqi's are killing our GI's every day & over 70% of the Iraqi people want us out, to our welcome presence in Germany, Japan & S. Korea is like saying it is the same as being stationed in Hawaii........since both Hawaii & Iraq are warm climates!
McCain isn't a saint, nor is he a smooth politician, but I'll take him over Hillary or Obama just about any day of the week. I say "just about" because Obama, every once in a while, pours on just enough beautiful hope and change talk to make me forget myself. I'm a sucker for great oratory. Take away Obama's choice of churches & tell me what you don't like about him?
And Nader? Please. Has the man even been a village mayor? Has he held any elected office? Make him Secretary of Seatbelts, Airbags, and Bumpers. Well, right after we get around to making the Dept of Peace under the Kucinich administration or perhaps abolishing the IRS, Dept of Education, FBI, CIA, DIA, the Pentagon, NSA, and just about every other goverment office and department under the Ron Paul administration.
Devil5052 wrote:pvolcko wrote:If age or current mental state should not be considered then why not dig up & re-elect Abe Lincoln? He was a great President!! Should we not elect him just because he is presently dead?
coaledsweat wrote:Devil5052 wrote:pvolcko wrote:If age or current mental state should not be considered then why not dig up & re-elect Abe Lincoln? He was a great President!! Should we not elect him just because he is presently dead?
Lincoln is ineligable as he was elected to two terms, dead or not.
Devil5052 wrote:over 70% of the Iraqi people want us out
pvolcko wrote:If the person didn't directly apologize for it afterward, no probably not. McCain did apologize for it to both the first family (and Chelsea directly, I believe) and Reno. He may do a lot of apologizing, but at least he knows when he has gone over the line and owns up to his mistakes.

spc wrote:Devil5052 wrote:over 70% of the Iraqi people want us out
ABC News polled 2,737 Iraqis in face-to-face interviews across the country from Feb. 9-28, 2008
How Long Should Coalition Forces Remain?
Until Iraq gov't is in place 36%
Until security is restored 18%
Leave now 15%
Six months or more 10%
Few months 8%
Devil5052 wrote:spc wrote:Devil5052 wrote:over 70% of the Iraqi people want us out
ABC News polled 2,737 Iraqis in face-to-face interviews across the country from Feb. 9-28, 2008
How Long Should Coalition Forces Remain?
Until Iraq gov't is in place 36%
Until security is restored 18%
Leave now 15%
Six months or more 10%
Few months 8%
Those figures are ambivelent. They show 2/3rds of Iraqis don't want us to stay until an Iraqi gov is in place. (one is now) & 80% don't want us to stay until security is established. the Iraqi people dont like being occupied & think we are there to steal their oil? (They are blowing us up daily as a hint!......& don't give me any of Bush's lies about it all being Al Quieda...It Isnt!))
Devil5052 wrote:spc wrote:You have a view of Iraq that OBL is trying to demonstrate.
So, in your view I guess I am a traitor to my country?
I want to aid OBL?
I do have the same view of our American leaders regarding the Iraqi people's optimism. Your opinion on them "getting rich" is frankly disgusting.Devil5052 wrote:My opinion is that you are seeing Iraq through Karl Roves eyes, but at least Rove, Bush & Cheney are all getting rich because of the war. Are you?
spc wrote:I do have the same view of our American leaders regarding the Iraqi people's optimism. Your opinion on them "getting rich" is frankly disgusting.Devil5052 wrote:spc wrote:You have a view of Iraq that OBL is trying to demonstrate.
So, in your view I guess I am a traitor to my country?
I want to aid OBL?
My opinion is that you are seeing Iraq through Karl Roves eyes, but at least Rove, Bush & Cheney are all getting rich because of the war. Are you?
Devil5052 wrote:Disgusting or not....What do you think should be done to them if it later is proven to be true?

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