Why is McCain the best choice for President?

Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:06 pm

Cute, all the Churchillian refs.

But does anybody think McCain would stand for it one second if somebody else insulted his daughter or wife?

Anybody?
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: pvolcko On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:26 am

If the person didn't directly apologize for it afterward, no probably not. McCain did apologize for it to both the first family (and Chelsea directly, I believe) and Reno. He may do a lot of apologizing, but at least he knows when he has gone over the line and owns up to his mistakes. I don't see anything approaching that level of personal integrity in Obama and certainly not in Hillary. Nor do either of them have a thimble's worth of the experience in world affairs and military judgement that McCain has.

The man has sworn at people, has a temper, and has made a bad joke or two in his time. Who hasn't been guilty of these charges? Oh and he's aged. That tears it, by all means kick him to the curb. Impugn his reputation with scurrilous accusations of mental defect. Condemn him. Call out "concerns" and demand more and more disclosure in the pursuit of honesty and openness, all while the dem candidates skate by with obfuscations, spin, and deceit (at least until very recently). I'm sure all our prior Presidents were white-tongued, mild mannered, youthful, perpetually good natured jokesters.

And please, can we drop this 100 years of war harangue? He isn't advocating anything of the sort. If you're against the bases in Germany and Japan and South Korea, then fine be against the long term Iraq presence he is speaking of, but that kind of presence is all he meant by that statement and I suspect you (and you know who you all are :) ) know that.

McCain isn't a saint, nor is he a smooth politician, but I'll take him over Hillary or Obama just about any day of the week. I say "just about" because Obama, every once in a while, pours on just enough beautiful hope and change talk to make me forget myself. I'm a sucker for great oratory.

And Nader? Please. Has the man even been a village mayor? Has he held any elected office? Make him Secretary of Seatbelts, Airbags, and Bumpers. Well, right after we get around to making the Dept of Peace under the Kucinich administration or perhaps abolishing the IRS, Dept of Education, FBI, CIA, DIA, the Pentagon, NSA, and just about every other goverment office and department under the Ron Paul administration. ;)
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:17 am

pvolcko wrote:If the person didn't directly apologize for it afterward, no probably not. McCain did apologize for it to both the first family (and Chelsea directly, I believe) and Reno. He may do a lot of apologizing, but at least he knows when he has gone over the line and owns up to his mistakes. I don't see anything approaching that level of personal integrity in Obama and certainly not in Hillary. Please ploint out where you find anything Obama has done (himself, other than sitting in church) that discloses a lack of personal integerity

The man has sworn at people, has a temper, and has made a bad joke or two in his time. Who hasn't been guilty of these charges? Oh and he's aged. That tears it, by all means kick him to the curb. Impugn his reputation with scurrilous accusations of mental defect. Condemn him. If age or current mental state should not be considered then why not dig up & re-elect Abe Lincoln? He was a great President!! Should we not elect him just because he is presently dead? Call out "concerns" and demand more and more disclosure in the pursuit of honesty and openness, all while the dem candidates skate by with obfuscations, spin, and deceit (at least until very recently). I'm sure all our prior Presidents were white-tongued, mild mannered, youthful, perpetually good natured jokesters.

And please, can we drop this 100 years of war harangue? He isn't advocating anything of the sort. If you're against the bases in Germany and Japan and South Korea, then fine be against the long term Iraq presence he is speaking of, but that kind of presence is all he meant by that statement and I suspect you (and you know who you all are :) ) know that. Comparing the occupation in Iraq, where the Iraqi's are killing our GI's every day & over 70% of the Iraqi people want us out, to our welcome presence in Germany, Japan & S. Korea is like saying it is the same as being stationed in Hawaii........since both Hawaii & Iraq are warm climates!
McCain isn't a saint, nor is he a smooth politician, but I'll take him over Hillary or Obama just about any day of the week. I say "just about" because Obama, every once in a while, pours on just enough beautiful hope and change talk to make me forget myself. I'm a sucker for great oratory. Take away Obama's choice of churches & tell me what you don't like about him?
And Nader? Please. Has the man even been a village mayor? Has he held any elected office? Make him Secretary of Seatbelts, Airbags, and Bumpers. Well, right after we get around to making the Dept of Peace under the Kucinich administration or perhaps abolishing the IRS, Dept of Education, FBI, CIA, DIA, the Pentagon, NSA, and just about every other goverment office and department under the Ron Paul administration. ;)
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:37 am

Devil5052 wrote:
pvolcko wrote:If age or current mental state should not be considered then why not dig up & re-elect Abe Lincoln? He was a great President!! Should we not elect him just because he is presently dead?


Lincoln is ineligable as he was elected to two terms, dead or not.
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:49 am

coaledsweat wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:
pvolcko wrote:If age or current mental state should not be considered then why not dig up & re-elect Abe Lincoln? He was a great President!! Should we not elect him just because he is presently dead?


Lincoln is ineligable as he was elected to two terms, dead or not.



Damn!! Forgot that.....I was going to write his name in. OK..Then how about Mary Lincoln? ( as I understand it, she had great experience in her husband's admin, did not support NAFTA or vote for the war in Iraq, & landed (under sniper fire) as many times in a C-117 as Hillary Clinton)
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: spc On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:39 am

Devil5052 wrote:over 70% of the Iraqi people want us out


ABC News polled 2,737 Iraqis in face-to-face interviews across the country from Feb. 9-28, 2008

How Long Should Coalition Forces Remain?
Until Iraq gov't is in place 36%
Until security is restored 18%
Leave now 15%
Six months or more 10%
Few months 8%
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:47 am

pvolcko wrote:If the person didn't directly apologize for it afterward, no probably not. McCain did apologize for it to both the first family (and Chelsea directly, I believe) and Reno. He may do a lot of apologizing, but at least he knows when he has gone over the line and owns up to his mistakes.


I CALL BS!!! :hammer:

Look, anybody who doesn't start out with at least the good judgment not to tell a joke about the appearance of a female child -- at least in public -- in the first place, has no business being president. And, frankly, the serial apologies after such lapses are more diagnostic of the suspected PTSD than they are of his "essential good character," or whatever BS spin one might want to place on them. McCain is full of giant contradictions and that's not what anybody wants in a leader.

And, besides, he needs Joe Lieberman to tell him that Al Qaeda isn't trained in Iran. :crazy:
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: spc On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:01 am

No joke. :(

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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:30 am

spc wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:over 70% of the Iraqi people want us out


ABC News polled 2,737 Iraqis in face-to-face interviews across the country from Feb. 9-28, 2008

How Long Should Coalition Forces Remain?
Until Iraq gov't is in place 36%
Until security is restored 18%
Leave now 15%
Six months or more 10%
Few months 8%


Those figures are ambivelent. They show 2/3rds of Iraqis don't want us to stay until an Iraqi gov is in place. (one is now) & 80% don't want us to stay until security is established. the Iraqi people dont like being occupied & think we are there to steal their oil? (They are blowing us up daily as a hint!......& don't give me any of Bush's lies about it all being Al Quieda, Iran or Martians...It Isnt!))

PS...I think it's time to drop that "coalition" White House crap.......Fred (the British soldier who was making coffee) has gone home. .......We are alone in Iraq.
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: spc On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:56 am

Devil5052 wrote:
spc wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:over 70% of the Iraqi people want us out


ABC News polled 2,737 Iraqis in face-to-face interviews across the country from Feb. 9-28, 2008

How Long Should Coalition Forces Remain?
Until Iraq gov't is in place 36%
Until security is restored 18%
Leave now 15%
Six months or more 10%
Few months 8%


Those figures are ambivelent. They show 2/3rds of Iraqis don't want us to stay until an Iraqi gov is in place. (one is now) & 80% don't want us to stay until security is established. the Iraqi people dont like being occupied & think we are there to steal their oil? (They are blowing us up daily as a hint!......& don't give me any of Bush's lies about it all being Al Quieda...It Isnt!))


Same polling:

How Iraqis See Their Lives Overall.
How things are going today:
Good 70%
Bad 29%

Preferences for Iraq's Future Governance:
Unified country, central government in Baghdad 79%
Regional states with a federal government 14%
Divide into separate independent states 4%

Looks pretty optimistic to me. :)
You have a view of Iraq that OBL is trying to demonstrate. :(
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:09 am

[quote="spc
You have a view of Iraq that OBL is trying to demonstrate. :([/quote]


So, in your view I guess I am a traitor to my country?
I want to aid OBL?

My opinion is that you are seeing Iraq through Karl Roves eyes, but at least Rove, Bush & Cheney are all getting rich because of the war. Are you?
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: spc On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:44 am

Devil5052 wrote:
spc wrote:You have a view of Iraq that OBL is trying to demonstrate. :(



So, in your view I guess I am a traitor to my country?
I want to aid OBL?


Devil5052 wrote:My opinion is that you are seeing Iraq through Karl Roves eyes, but at least Rove, Bush & Cheney are all getting rich because of the war. Are you?
I do have the same view of our American leaders regarding the Iraqi people's optimism. Your opinion on them "getting rich" is frankly disgusting. :(
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:59 am

Could you guys please work on proper quoting syntax? It's unnecessarily confusing having to backtrack to find the accurate quotes.

Thanks.
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:05 am

spc wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:
spc wrote:You have a view of Iraq that OBL is trying to demonstrate. :(


So, in your view I guess I am a traitor to my country?
I want to aid OBL?


My opinion is that you are seeing Iraq through Karl Roves eyes, but at least Rove, Bush & Cheney are all getting rich because of the war. Are you?
I do have the same view of our American leaders regarding the Iraqi people's optimism. Your opinion on them "getting rich" is frankly disgusting. :(


Disgusting or not....What do you think should be done to them if it later is proven to be true?
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Re: Why is McCain the best choice for President?

PostBy: spc On: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:11 am

Devil5052 wrote:Disgusting or not....What do you think should be done to them if it later is proven to be true?
:chop:
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