New Construction With an Octopus?
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Ok, I have a problem....I love the old "octopus" furnaces even though I've never seen one live much less run one
I'd like some facts or at least some info on how well one would run in a newly constructed house that was designed specifically for use with one, on the order of 1000-1500sq ft.
Say an historically accurate (on the outside) center chimney cape
I'd would like a somewhat efficient, coal, hand fired hot air system that requires zero electricity.
Has anyone run one in a house?
I'd like some facts or at least some info on how well one would run in a newly constructed house that was designed specifically for use with one, on the order of 1000-1500sq ft.
Say an historically accurate (on the outside) center chimney cape
I'd would like a somewhat efficient, coal, hand fired hot air system that requires zero electricity.
Has anyone run one in a house?
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Yes, I have. An octopus style furnace is nothing more than a jacket around the furnace itself. Set up correctly it will heat 1500 feet very easily.
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I'm not sure it will work well with a ranch style house, though. They were usually pretty well centered in a basement heat runs were large and close the the furnace on an upward angle for the rising heat. here is a picture of one style. The other style (the one I used) had the kidney on the back of it. I'll include a cutaway picture of one also.
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My house had one. Only thing that was left of it is the brick hearth it sat on, and the brick ring that lined up under the sheet metal jacket, the slate covered, brick sided, dirt trench leading to that outer ring of bricks, and the large round ducts leading to all the floor registers, now tied into the oil furnace.
Like Don said, it was centrally located in the basement.
The hot air ducts are 8 inch galvanized pipe. The first floor cold air return ducts are just the bays between floor joists, closed off on the underside by galvanized sheet metal nailed to the joists. That lead to the front of the house where they was a wooden "Y" trunk built onto the front wall of the basement. One branch of the Y enclosed a basement window that could be opened to allow fresh air into the cold air return. The other branch lead to a very large floor register by the front door, near the base of the front stairs.
Helping a friend looking to move, one house we looked at still had the octopus furnace. As Don said, there's a jacket surrounding the cast iron coal furnace made up of galvanized sheet metal panels covering all but the front casting with the loading doors. The sheet metal panels just attach to a steel framework suspended around the stove. They were fastened so they could be easily removed to get at the enclosed parts.
Really, just a large cast iron stove with an enclosed air space. Cold air ducts leading into the bottom, hot air ducts leading out the top.
With mine, all the round hot air ducts in the basement have a simple sheet metal MPD type damper to help adjust/balance the hot air flow to each room.
Looking at the size of the brick hearth and outer brick ring, it looks like the furnace that was here was no larger than others I've seen in average sized houses. But, this house is a 4000 sq ft two story, uninsulated Victorian.
I'm guessing the furnace was meant to only carry some of the heat load, because the basement coal hot water heater was still here with the thimble for it to the chimney closed off. Above that, in the same chimney, the thimble for a kitchen range was closed off. And I found part of a coal parlor stove buried in a trash pit by my barn.
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Like Don said, it was centrally located in the basement.
The hot air ducts are 8 inch galvanized pipe. The first floor cold air return ducts are just the bays between floor joists, closed off on the underside by galvanized sheet metal nailed to the joists. That lead to the front of the house where they was a wooden "Y" trunk built onto the front wall of the basement. One branch of the Y enclosed a basement window that could be opened to allow fresh air into the cold air return. The other branch lead to a very large floor register by the front door, near the base of the front stairs.
Helping a friend looking to move, one house we looked at still had the octopus furnace. As Don said, there's a jacket surrounding the cast iron coal furnace made up of galvanized sheet metal panels covering all but the front casting with the loading doors. The sheet metal panels just attach to a steel framework suspended around the stove. They were fastened so they could be easily removed to get at the enclosed parts.
Really, just a large cast iron stove with an enclosed air space. Cold air ducts leading into the bottom, hot air ducts leading out the top.
With mine, all the round hot air ducts in the basement have a simple sheet metal MPD type damper to help adjust/balance the hot air flow to each room.
Looking at the size of the brick hearth and outer brick ring, it looks like the furnace that was here was no larger than others I've seen in average sized houses. But, this house is a 4000 sq ft two story, uninsulated Victorian.
I'm guessing the furnace was meant to only carry some of the heat load, because the basement coal hot water heater was still here with the thimble for it to the chimney closed off. Above that, in the same chimney, the thimble for a kitchen range was closed off. And I found part of a coal parlor stove buried in a trash pit by my barn.
Paul
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I was about 8 yrs old when my parents got rid of the coal furnace,as I can recall,there was a big register about 4 foot square in the living room floor where the heat came up off the furnace,it made for a wonderful warm spot for cold feet,wet stockings,dry out wet shoes or at least warm cold shoes. I just cannot recall what the return air vents were like.The kitchen was the other end of the slightly rectangular farmhouse & it had a wood/coal range,one of the porcelain covered ones with the warming shelve .I can still remember those 2 spots as the warm spots in the house. I wish I could have that furnace & that coal range today.I also wish I could have that house & the summer house with it's unique arch cellar beneath the basement. But some egotistic jerk bought the farm a few yrs ago to expand his massive private hunting grounds & totally wiped the house & summer house off the earth. Anyway,back to the coal furnace,i see no reason why one of those centrally located in a mostly squarish house would not do the job just fine.
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Big unlined fire pot and badly sealed doors. Good for a really hot fire and burning a lot of coal. On the other hand might be good to install a stoker burner in it.
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Agreed, but will add that the 'concept' will work with most any hand fired stove or furnace also. A Hitzer 82 (not the FA) would be great for this application. Heck, even one of these Claytons or Hotblast furnaces would work.franco b wrote:Big unlined fire pot and badly sealed doors. Good for a really hot fire and burning a lot of coal. On the other hand might be good to install a stoker burner in it.
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I'd go for an octopus that has been "blueprinted" (read hand fit doors & clearances) and assembled with modern refractory, sealants & coatings, as well as modern insulated ducting.SWPaDon wrote:Agrred, but will add that the 'concept' will work with most any hand fired stove or furnace also. A Hitzer 82 (not the FA) would be great for this application.franco b wrote:Big unlined fire pot and badly sealed doors. Good for a really hot fire and burning a lot of coal. On the other hand might be good to install a stoker burner in it.
I have thought of the big hitzer but it's kind of boring
Right now it's just a plan but hopefully sometime it could be a reality.
Not to much tech on these units here on the forum....
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Yes, it would be. Could be hooked up in no time flat.scalabro wrote:I'd go for an octopus that has been "blueprinted" (read hand fit doors & clearances) and assembled with modern refractory, sealants & coatings, as well as modern insulated ducting.SWPaDon wrote:Agreed, but will add that the 'concept' will work with most any hand fired stove or furnace also. A Hitzer 82 (not the FA) would be great for this application.
I have thought of the big hitzer but it's kind of boring
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We had one at home where I grew up and it was a 1200 sqft rancher.I remember Dad and my uncles getting it from a 3 story victorian hotel/boarding home.We never burned coal in it,only wood,you could probably fit a wheel barrow of coal in it.It's still in the basement also.The stove would keep the house 80 degrees all winter with the doors and windows open.
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I think it's time to bring the octopus furnace into the 21st century
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I'll be watching.scalabro wrote:I think it's time to bring the octopus furnace into the 21st century
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Me too!windyhill4.2 wrote:I'll be watching.scalabro wrote:I think it's time to bring the octopus furnace into the 21st century