Antique stoves in CT

Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:39 pm

Any body run a pre UL rated stove? Dose your home owners policey cover burning one? Im covered and inspected with my channing thru state farm, but I haven't said a word yet about my G6 figuring it was exempt. I have the proper floor protection and the stove is 24" from combustible. I know the right thing to do is call and ask state farm but i have a feeling ill open up a can of worms. :mad:
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: stovehospital On: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:59 pm

I ran in to te UL listing problem in RI. I called the state and worked my way up to the top guy in the building Code area. Ul listing applies to stoves made since Jan. 1, 1981. Inspectors tend to say you must have UL listing BUT if you look through the current code books there is a section labeled Installation of Non UL Listed Stoves. They are legal,
My insurance company tried to put a rider on my policy but stopped it when they found out it was a coal stove and not a wood stove. (They hate wood stoves due to chimney fires). They also started to make noise about not covering a non listed stove so I told them to leave and I would find another company. That ended the problem.
In RI stoves are subject to inspection and the state is not all that worried about age. Condition is what is important
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:17 pm

So. the key is to shine the stove up to the max b4 the insurance agent walks in to inspect,it should razzle & dazzle him into an OK toothy
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:04 pm

That works on cars in MA, too. :funny:
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:19 pm

You don't get this crap for furnaces and boilers as the insurance company thinks of them as conventional appliances. A stove however is considered a supplemental device and that bugs them. What will make them happy is if it is to code and has a coupon signed by the Fire Marshall or Fire Chief. :)
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:32 pm

coaledsweat wrote:You don't get this crap for furnaces and boilers as the insurance company thinks of them as conventional appliances. A stove however is considered a supplemental device and that bugs them. What will make them happy is if it is to code and has a coupon signed by the Fire Marshall or Fire Chief. :)


I just left a message with the town building inspector asking were non UL rated stoves fall within our town laws, well c if he returns my call.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: A little cubby coal stove in the basement
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood #6
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: scalabro On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:36 pm

I know that two stove shop websites mention the "before X date loophole" . I've spent some time trying to find the exact chapter and verse but no joy.

I think it should be found, posted/linked and "stickied" here on the forum. This way folks can find the reference, print it and give it to their respective authority/ inspector.
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Baseburners & Antiques: 2 Crawford 40's, PP Stewart No. 14, Abendroth Bros "Record 40"
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: pyro29 On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:48 pm

Under CT Building Code, all stoves must be installed per NFPA 211 (fixed it). There is mention and distance specs in the code for non-listed stoves. In a nutshell, your G6 has a lined fire pot and therefore, by the chart shown in 13.6.1.2, your minimum clearance to combustibles in the rear would be 30 inches and the chart in 13.6.2.1 shows distance reductions based upon the wall construction. There is another section, I think it was in section 5 IIRC, that lists floor clearances which are again based upon floor construction and air gap between the floor and the bottom of the stove.

Neither the insurance company nor the local AHJ can stop you from installing this stove as long as you follow the code.

My issue is that my AHJ has been nothing less than a thorn in my side, insisting that my G8 has an unlined fire pot and therefore requires a 36" rear clearance and won't allow any reductions, regardless of the wall construction. This is wrong, and contrary to the code, but I'm still trying to get his head out of his own ass.

scalabro wrote:I know that two stove shop websites mention the "before X date loophole" . I've spent some time trying to find the exact chapter and verse but no joy.

I think it should be found, posted/linked and "stickied" here on the forum. This way folks can find the reference, print it and give it to their respective authority/ inspector.


Unfortunately, I tried this...somewhat. My AHJ initially said "absolutely not" to installing the G8 because it was an unlisted stove. I then showed him, in the code, that HE was wrong, all at the counter in front of all his co-workers. This, I think, is why he has given me such a hard time now.
Last edited by pyro29 on Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: scalabro On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:58 pm

NFPA code is easy to find.

Try finding the UL listing exemption :D
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Baseburners & Antiques: 2 Crawford 40's, PP Stewart No. 14, Abendroth Bros "Record 40"
Coal Size/Type: Stove / Anthracite.
Other Heating: Oil fired, forced hot air.

Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:05 pm

pyro29 wrote:Under CT Building Code, all stoves must be installed per NFPA 214. There is mention and distance specs in the code for non-listed stoves. In a nutshell, your G6 has a lined fire pot and therefore, by the chart shown in 13.6.1.2, your minimum clearance to combustibles in the rear would be 30 inches and the chart in 13.6.2.1 shows distance reductions based upon the wall construction. There is another section, I think it was in section 5 IIRC, that lists floor clearances which are again based upon floor construction and air gap between the floor and the bottom of the stove.

Neither the insurance company nor the local AHJ can stop you from installing this stove as long as you follow the code.

My issue is that my AHJ has been nothing less than a thorn in my side, insisting that my G8 has an unlined fire pot and therefore requires a 36" rear clearance and won't allow any reductions, regardless of the wall construction. This is wrong, and contrary to the code, but I'm still trying to get his head out of his own ass.

scalabro wrote:I know that two stove shop websites mention the "before X date loophole" . I've spent some time trying to find the exact chapter and verse but no joy.

I think it should be found, posted/linked and "stickied" here on the forum. This way folks can find the reference, print it and give it to their respective authority/ inspector.


Unfortunately, I tried this...somewhat. My AHJ initially said "absolutely not" to installing the G8 because it was an unlisted stove. I then showed him, in the code, that HE was wrong, all at the counter in front of all his co-workers. This, I think, is why he has given me such a hard time now.


I think you mean, NFPA 211 ?

"NFPA 214" has to do with "water cooling towers". I don't think you want to hook your coal stove to one of those ! :D

A copy of 211 has been posted in this thread over in the hand fed section,
Basic fire codes and install clearances
Paul
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:11 pm

AHJ?
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Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: scalabro On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:24 pm

Where can the "UL exemption" be found?
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Baseburners & Antiques: 2 Crawford 40's, PP Stewart No. 14, Abendroth Bros "Record 40"
Coal Size/Type: Stove / Anthracite.
Other Heating: Oil fired, forced hot air.

Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: scalabro On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:16 pm

Bump :D

Where, exactly (post a link) can the "UL exemption" be found?
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Baseburners & Antiques: 2 Crawford 40's, PP Stewart No. 14, Abendroth Bros "Record 40"
Coal Size/Type: Stove / Anthracite.
Other Heating: Oil fired, forced hot air.

Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: scalabro On: Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:47 pm

Bueller....Bueller....anyone?

scalabro wrote:Bump :D

Where, exactly (post a link) can the "UL exemption" be found?
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Baseburners & Antiques: 2 Crawford 40's, PP Stewart No. 14, Abendroth Bros "Record 40"
Coal Size/Type: Stove / Anthracite.
Other Heating: Oil fired, forced hot air.

Re: Antique stoves in CT

PostBy: joeq On: Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:04 am

I don't think anyone knows.
(P.S. A 214 is your military walking papers.)
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