Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:37 pm

If anyone hasn't caught Sen. Obama's press conference today, I suggest you watch it. (I can't find a link for it but will post one if I can find it) A reporter asked in view of the renewed violence in Iraq right now, did Sen. Obama still want to stick by his redeployment timetable. His answer really sums up alot of important points that I agree with. Whether you like him or not & whether you favor out troops leaving, or not, I suggest you watch it. (if even just for this 2 min. answer)
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: spc On: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:11 am

Just a quick update:
"Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr offered Sunday to pull his fighters off the streets of Basra and other cities if the government halts raids against his followers and releases prisoners held without charge."
"he also "disavows" anyone who carries weapons and targets government institutions, charities and political party offices."
He seems to be :surrender: Hope the positive news continues.
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: pvolcko On: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:23 pm

Report I just read said the he got assurances from the government that they'd step down from past arrest practices vis a vis the armed milita and Sadr's group specifically. They're also not going to give up their arms. Hopefully things will settle down again. Interesting that yesterday Bush made statements that this violence was a "defining moment". Makes me think he knew that this was coming and wanted to cash in a bit on the good vibe of the resulting re-cease fire. Could also be that our people over there saw in the negotiations a new level of agreement or recognition of common interests that they genuinely think is a potential turning point. Time will tell.
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:15 pm

pvolcko wrote:Report I just read said the he got assurances from the government that they'd step down from past arrest practices vis a vis the armed milita and Sadr's group specifically. They're also not going to give up their arms. Hopefully things will settle down again. Interesting that yesterday Bush made statements that this violence was a "defining moment". Makes me think he knew that this was coming and wanted to cash in a bit on the good vibe of the resulting re-cease fire. Could also be that our people over there saw in the negotiations a new level of agreement or recognition of common interests that they genuinely think is a potential turning point. Time will tell.


Sadar is on a string from Iran. He will lick his wounds and resupply from Terhan and start more crap later. He needs to go with Saddam and company.
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: pvolcko On: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:40 pm

Unfortunately we missed our chance to put him out to pasture. To do so now, with his high profile and accumulated supporting militia, would be risking everything. We're stuck with him at this point. Indeed, we need to keep the Iraqi government from provoking him or taking direct action against him. If the Iraqi government did do something that mindblowingly stupid without video/audio evidence of treasonous activity from 5 different camera angles, then that would be cause for yanking our troops the hell out of there in a hurry. But he's been playing nice for the several few months and that counts for something. We're certainly keeping an eye on him and his group (we's top potential threat along with AQ, direct Iranian interference, and the KDP/Turkey tension). If they were restocking we'd be on top of it pretty quickly I hope.
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:59 am



Sadr fighters disappear from Iraq's streets

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AFP) — Gun-toting fighters of hardline cleric Moqtada al-Sadr melted from the streets on Monday after days of fierce clashes with security forces as a curfew in Baghdad was lifted and eased in Basra.

After six days of intense fighting with security forces, Sadr on Sunday pulled his fighters off the streets, signalling an end to the firefights which have killed more than 320 people across Iraq.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hqE ... NKIXSAF-8Q


:D What have to say now Devil?
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:10 am

Richard S. wrote:[Sadr fighters disappear from Iraq's streets

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AFP) — Gun-toting fighters of hardline cleric Moqtada al-Sadr melted from the streets on Monday after days of fierce clashes with security forces as a curfew in Baghdad was lifted and eased in Basra.

After six days of intense fighting with security forces, Sadr on Sunday pulled his fighters off the streets, signalling an end to the firefights which have killed more than 320 people across Iraq.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hqE ... NKIXSAF-8Q


:D What have to say now Devil?[/quote]


I have this to say Richard:

Baghdad's Green Zone attacked again By BRADLEY BROOKS, Associated Press Writer
46 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - The fortified Green Zone in Iraq's capital came under mortar or rocket attack again Monday, despite the call a day before from a radical Shiite cleric for his fighters to stand down.

from here
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080331/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_080331085134
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.




And this to say:
Keeping our overstretched & tired army bogged down & easy targets on the streets of Bagdad seems a totaly ineffective & incredibly costly tactic against our Muslim enemy. We have tried this way for the last 5 years & our troops are still dying there. Why not try a different tactic?

Further opinion: A short term deal with Moqtada al-Sadr (even if it works) is meant to merely buy GW Bush enough time to slip out the back door & leave his Iraq mess to the next president, it does not represent long term Iraqi stability. It's their problem, let them solve it.
edit: I wonder (years from now when the truth comes out) how much of our tax money the Bush administration is paying Moqtada al-Sadr to be quiet until GW leaves office?
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: spc On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:19 am

Be careful Richard S. you will be mocked for using videos or links the propaganda web sites. :nono:
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:24 am

spc wrote:Be careful Richard S. you will be mocked for using videos or links the propaganda web sites. :nono:


You contributions usualy just boil down to personal attacks (like above) or vomiting back Rush Limbaugh talking points. I will not be drawn in by your hate anymore.
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: coalkirk On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:57 am

As I suggested in another post this morning, maybe stopping the hatefull name calling of all sorts, including against Bush would serve to lower the nastiness here this week. It's fine to criticize but it's not necessary to call names, even the Pres. Let's give it a try. When some of us read that, reasonableness goes out the window.
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:07 am

coalkirk wrote:As I suggested in another post this morning, maybe stopping the hatefull name calling of all sorts, including against Bush would serve to lower the nastiness here this week. It's fine to criticize but it's not necessary to call names, even the Pres. Let's give it a try. When some of us read that, reasonableness goes out the window.


I take your point! (I admitt to finding it difficult not to deride this administration but your point is well taken.......I get it!!.......By name calling I am just negating my own arguments in the eyes of many readers.....I'll try! :D )
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: spc On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:09 am

Devil5052 wrote:
spc wrote:Be careful Richard S. you will be mocked for using videos or links the propaganda web sites. :nono:


You contributions usualy just boil down to personal attacks (like above) or vomiting back Rush Limbaugh talking points. I will not be drawn in by your hate anymore.
You are a typical liberal, you call a fact a "personal attack". As I have been mocked I was just warning Richard. :lol: If anything you & your buddy have been "attacking" me, but don't get me wrong it doesn't bother me. If you think my statement that you quoted is "hate", there is no other way to put it, never mind I won't say it. I will others fill in the sentiment.

BTW The last time I listen to Rush was when he was selling that senate letter on eBay. :rofl:
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:34 am

[quote="spc"]]You are a typical liberal, ......


I rest my case.
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: spc On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:52 am

Devil5052 wrote:
spc wrote:]You are a typical liberal, ......


I rest my case.
Is the word "typical" a bad "name calling" word or is it "liberal"? I think the latter. Now if you said I was a "typical conservative" I would take it as somewhat of a compliment.
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Re: Iraq Spinning Out Of Control....Again!

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:06 pm

spc wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:
spc wrote:]You are a typical liberal, ......


I rest my case.
Is the word "typical" a bad "name calling" word or is it "liberal"? I think the latter. Now if you said I was a "typical conservative" I would take it as somewhat of a compliment.


And that's the proof we've been looking for! :lol:
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