Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:22 pm

davidmcbeth3 wrote:Unfortunately, you'll get different answers from different folks on Stevia and its possibly unhealthy effects.


Japan has used it for decades and they outlive us by a good margin. Much of the negativity here in the USA stems from the fact that being natural it can't be patented (unless altered, such as for Truvia). If it can't be patented there is no money in it for the big boys, and the big boys have lobbyists and can pay for political influence.

Consequently, use of stevia as an alternative began in Japan, with the aqueous extract of the leaves yielding purified steviosides developed as sweeteners. The first commercial stevia sweetener in Japan was produced by the Japanese firm Morita Kagaku Kogyo Co., Ltd. in 1971. The Japanese have been using stevia in food products and soft drinks, (including Coca Cola), and for table use. Japan currently consumes more stevia than any other country, with stevia accounting for 40% of the sweetener market.
Wikipedia.
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:46 pm

CCW,as far as dissolving honey,good honey should dissolve in hot water. You could also use maple syrup.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isayre ,i think you identified the issue with stevia,until the big boys can control it ,info about it will vary. Raise your own & use it,we plan to try raising some this coming yr.for our own use. With your kidneys equaling 1 ,how is your energy level ?or pain level ?My energy takes a terrible hit with both Lyme disease & kidney issues,pain with Lyme in joints & muscles & when kidneys are at their worst,lots of "back" pain.
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:58 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:CCW,as far as dissolving honey,good honey should dissolve in hot water. You could also use maple syrup.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isayre ,i think you identified the issue with stevia,until the big boys can control it ,info about it will vary. Raise your own & use it,we plan to try raising some this coming yr.for our own use. With your kidneys equaling 1 ,how is your energy level ?or pain level ?My energy takes a terrible hit with both Lyme disease & kidney issues,pain with Lyme in joints & muscles & when kidneys are at their worst,lots of "back" pain.


My arthritis pain is horrible, and my energy level is totally in the dumper. It takes very little physical exertion to exhaust me. Climbing ladders is nigh on impossible for me to do at this juncture, and if I kneel or stoop down I sometimes wonder if I will be able to get back up. Arms ache and feel heavy also. I have often wondered if at some time in the past I contracted lyme without ever seeking its detection or treatment. We seem to have a lot in common in these regards.
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:02 pm

This stuff is really good! Check it out .

It's what I use in my coffee

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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:15 pm

Smokeyja wrote:This stuff is really good! Check it out .

It's what I use in my coffee

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Smokey,you are right,that is a very good choice for folks who can have sugar,i can't have sugar.
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:25 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:
Smokeyja wrote:This stuff is really good! Check it out .

It's what I use in my coffee

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Smokey,you are right,that is a very good choice for folks who can have sugar,i can't have sugar.



I am not sure about the major differences between maple syrup sugars and sugar from cane. Sucanat is dried sugar cane juice . It is different than white sugar or brown sugar and retains all of its molasses content .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucanat

Wouldn't the sugars in maple syrup be the same as the sugars in the cane ? They virtually have the same refinement process amount . Meaning there isn't much involved from plant to table. I am sure you know more about this than I do so I am interested in your explanation.
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:36 pm

lsayre wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:CCW,as far as dissolving honey,good honey should dissolve in hot water. You could also use maple syrup.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Isayre ,i think you identified the issue with stevia,until the big boys can control it ,info about it will vary. Raise your own & use it,we plan to try raising some this coming yr.for our own use. With your kidneys equaling 1 ,how is your energy level ?or pain level ?My energy takes a terrible hit with both Lyme disease & kidney issues,pain with Lyme in joints & muscles & when kidneys are at their worst,lots of "back" pain.


My arthritis pain is horrible, and my energy level is totally in the dumper. It takes very little physical exertion to exhaust me. Climbing ladders is nigh on impossible for me to do at this juncture, and if I kneel or stoop down I sometimes wonder if I will be able to get back up. Arms ache and feel heavy also. I have often wondered if at some time in the past I contracted lyme without ever seeking its detection or treatment. We seem to have a lot in common in these regards.

We do seem to have many things in common. Your mathimagican abilities do not seem to have suffered at all tho. :) If you would like to try some natural pain relief,mix honey & turmeric together,& sprinkle in some black pepper,i prefer the turmeric on the heavy side so the mix will gradually thicken to a paste,that way i get a good dose of turmeric without taking lots of honey which can mess up my blood sugar.My blood sugar was tested at 35 back in January 1979,that is coma level. I have battled with this issue for all these yrs. now & rarely test my blood sugar as we have managed to keep it in the 75 -85 range most of the time.The blood sugar issue seems like a walk in the park compared to Lyme & now this kidney issue.The turmeric is all i take anymore for pain,i got totally away from all chemical pain killers when we found my kidneys going down hill. I also take an herb called Cats Claw for inflammation,it also helps the immune system. I take green tea capsules 2 times/day for the fatique issue & it also helps with muscle inflammation,which is one issue with Lyme.I was taking a product called kidney essentials ,but the company discontinued that product,i found it very beneficial in how i felt.
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:51 pm

Smokeyja wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:

Smokey,you are right,that is a very good choice for folks who can have sugar,i can't have sugar.



I am not sure about the major differences between maple syrup sugars and sugar from cane. Sucanat is dried sugar cane juice . It is different than white sugar or brown sugar and retains all of its molasses content .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucanat

Wouldn't the sugars in maple syrup be the same as the sugars in the cane ? They virtually have the same refinement process amount . Meaning there isn't much involved from plant to table. I am sure you know more about this than I do so I am interested in your explanation.[/quote]
Those products like Rapadora & Sucanat would be more comparable to maple sugar. In the dehydration process some things are lost from maple syrup making it act more like sugar. We were told by a nutripathic doctor in 1979 to use maple syrup,that it would not affect my blood sugar. It works is the best my mind can come up with. :)
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:02 pm

I will try the turmeric!
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:03 pm

Sounds like you need to try some cane water !

I'm just kidding . I love maple syrup btw . I have been wanting to try my hand at taping some of my own maples .
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:12 pm

Smokeyja wrote:Sounds like you need to try some cane water !

I'm just kidding . I love maple syrup btw . I have been wanting to try my hand at taping some of my own maples .

I was 10/11 yrs old when my parents spent 10 months as missionaries in Jamaica. I miss fresh coconut,mangoes strait from the tree,bananas freshly picked from the tree,pineapples from our garden, many other fruits, &.... have you ever chewed on freshly cut sugar cane stalk ?? What a fresh sweet treat that was !! Not sure how that would affect my blood sugar now but would be worth trying again. Imagine having sugar cane in your garden & squeezing the juice from it to sweeten things. :up:
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:18 pm

lsayre wrote:I will try the turmeric!

I don't think that turmeric reacts to a headache as quickly as like Advil,so i try to take it at the first hint of headache. With Advil i always wait to the unbearable stage to take that chemical. I have found that most all pains so far are tolerable with the turmeric/honey mix & it does so safely & i now find it almost a treat to take as far as the taste goes. I should be finding how well it works for tooth pain as i am going to have to get $$ together to get a split tooth pulled soon.
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:18 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:
Smokeyja wrote:Sounds like you need to try some cane water !

I'm just kidding . I love maple syrup btw . I have been wanting to try my hand at taping some of my own maples .

I was 10/11 yrs old when my parents spent 10 months as missionaries in Jamaica. I miss fresh coconut,mangoes strait from the tree,bananas freshly picked from the tree,pineapples from our garden, many other fruits, &.... have you ever chewed on freshly cut sugar cane stalk ?? What a fresh sweet treat that was !! Not sure how that would affect my blood sugar now but would be worth trying again. Imagine having sugar cane in your garden & squeezing the juice from it to sweeten things. :up:



My brother actually grew a patch of sugar cane last year here in Virginia! It sure was a treat . My grandmother on my moms side was from Honduras and my mom would tell me stories of going there as a little girl and all the fresh fruit and cane .
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:21 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:
I was 10/11 yrs old when my parents spent 10 months as missionaries in Jamaica. I miss fresh coconut,mangoes strait from the tree,bananas freshly picked from the tree,pineapples from our garden, many other fruits, &.... have you ever chewed on freshly cut sugar cane stalk ?? What a fresh sweet treat that was !! Not sure how that would affect my blood sugar now but would be worth trying again. Imagine having sugar cane in your garden & squeezing the juice from it to sweeten things. :up:

Smokeys quote

My brother actually grew a patch of sugar cane last year here in Virginia! It sure was a treat . My grandmother on my moms side was from Honduras and my mom would tell me stories of going there as a little girl and all the fresh fruit and cane .[/quote]
~~~~Did you actually get to chew on the stalk ??
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Re: Kidney health & Artificial sweeteners

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:53 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:
I was 10/11 yrs old when my parents spent 10 months as missionaries in Jamaica. I miss fresh coconut,mangoes strait from the tree,bananas freshly picked from the tree,pineapples from our garden, many other fruits, &.... have you ever chewed on freshly cut sugar cane stalk ?? What a fresh sweet treat that was !! Not sure how that would affect my blood sugar now but would be worth trying again. Imagine having sugar cane in your garden & squeezing the juice from it to sweeten things. :up:

Smokeys quote

My brother actually grew a patch of sugar cane last year here in Virginia! It sure was a treat . My grandmother on my moms side was from Honduras and my mom would tell me stories of going there as a little girl and all the fresh fruit and cane .

~~~~Did you actually get to chew on the stalk ??[/quote]

yup. My two boys got to chew on some as well. My brother had a good yield.
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