The Enemy

Re: The Enemy

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:36 am

stockingfull wrote:Anybody remember Dana Carvey doing Bush 41?

"Naa-gaa-happen."

I don't subscribe to the "Glenn Beck Armageddon school." I don't believe that 1.3 Billion Muslims are radical, or even destined to be somehow controlled by radicals.

That's not to say I don't agree that radical clerics are a problem. But people will only follow radicals to their doom when the other choices are no better. If we can make sure that's not the case, the radical voices will be marginalized.

And I'll say another thing: not that I'm looking for it, but, were I ever faced with the choice to either follow Allah or die, I'd give the old boy a try before falling on my sword for some other God(s) nobody's ever seen. No organized religion is worth mine or my family's life.

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You must be french
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: stockingfull On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:20 am

You kiddin? Come after my family and I'll gut you like a fish. :rambo:

But fighting for one phony, unprovable deity over another is so, um, "Middle Ages." :verycool:
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: spc On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:30 am

stockingfull wrote:God(s) nobody's ever seen.
I beg to differ.
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:42 am

stockingfull wrote:You kiddin? Come after my family and I'll gut you like a fish. :rambo:

But fighting for one phony, unprovable deity over another is so, um, "Middle Ages." :verycool:



Some people here think they speak directly to their God. (you know..like David Koresh)
Unfortunately, that is not the only "Voice" they hear in their heads ;)
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:44 am

stockingfull wrote:You kiddin? Come after my family and I'll gut you like a fish. :rambo:

But fighting for one phony, unprovable deity over another is so, um, "Middle Ages." :verycool:

I don't have time to spar this morning, but if you think you can wait until they are at your doorstep, or at the mall where your wife and children shop, you are living in the middle ages, Rambo.
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: spc On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:49 am

Devil5052 wrote:
stockingfull wrote:You kiddin? Come after my family and I'll gut you like a fish. :rambo:

But fighting for one phony, unprovable deity over another is so, um, "Middle Ages." :verycool:



Some people here think they speak directly to their God. (you know..like David Koresh)
Unfortunately, that is not the only "Voice" they hear in their heads ;)
The stronger your Christian faith is, the bigger the target you are for the devil. Come to think of it, it seems the same way on this forum.
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: ken On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:12 am

of all the religons on this planet , islam , hindu , buddist , catholic , ect ect ect. not one of them has one shread proof their God is real. man would like to think after he dies you go somewhere. thats the bottom line in religon. you just rot away in the ground. bummer , but thats the truth.
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: spc On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:22 am

ken wrote:of all the religons on this planet , islam , hindu , buddist , catholic , ect ect ect. not one of them has one shread proof their God is real. man would like to think after he dies you go somewhere. thats the bottom line in religon. you just rot away in the ground. bummer , but thats the truth.
I recommend this book, "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist." by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek.
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:23 am

ken wrote:of all the religons on this planet , islam , hindu , buddist , catholic , ect ect ect. not one of them has one shread proof their God is real. man would like to think after he dies you go somewhere. thats the bottom line in religon. you just rot away in the ground. bummer , but thats the truth.



I tend to be agnostic at best too but I always like George Carlin's line about religeon. He believes that when you die....your sole goes to a vacant garage in Cleveland! :D
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: pvolcko On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:50 am

stockingfull wrote:I don't subscribe to the "Glenn Beck Armageddon school." I don't believe that 1.3 Billion Muslims are radical, or even destined to be somehow controlled by radicals. That's not to say I don't agree that radical clerics are a problem.


I agree. I had a moment of weakness, forgive me. I'm still thinking that "stocking up" might be prudent insurance, but I'll forgo the gold hoarding and basement construction project.

But people will only follow radicals to their doom when the other choices are no better. If we can make sure that's not the case, the radical voices will be marginalized.


I strongly disagree with this. Short of forcing our oil companies to pay these nations for their product by air dropping bundles of cash and food and classic literature on the people, instead of paying the moola to the government, I'm not sure what we could possibly do. Certainly yanking our troops (and rebuilding efforts and political advisory, since they won't be protected anymore) from Iraq isn't presenting the people a "better choice" than submitting to the will of the radical muslim elements vying for power there. Assume the news breaks in an hour that we've killed Osama and the very highest rung of AQ leadership in a fantastic set of coordinated attacks. What then? We pull out of there too and let Karzai fend for himself? I'm sure the Taliban and the remaining AQ will be impressed with the better choice we've presented to the people and will simply melt away in the face of it.

I'm all for a "better way" but, damn it, before we go dislodging our military from their relatively safe, fortified positions and are forced to abandon our "soft touch" efforts in these nations that operate under the umbrella of security we're providing, I need a lot more from Obama and Hillary besides the promise of a "better way" or the nonsensical talk of unilateral diplomacy efforts and other such peacemaking speckled with missile strikes of Pakistan and the occasional highly targeted spec ops action. Of course, who the hell knows where the intelligence for these actions and missile strikes will come from given our pulling out of these nations and the characteristic democrat intelligence gathering notions of hamstringing our sigint with well intentioned but counterproductive bureaucracy and only acquiring huint through "respectable" channels. And since those high tech GPS bombs and cruise missiles are high explosives and my their very nature kill women and children in startling numbers, we can't really even use them without bringing the wrath of the fanatical militant muslim propaganda machine down upon us, recruiting more and more people to their cause, thus negating any possible benefit from such direct actions.

And I'll say another thing: not that I'm looking for it, but, were I ever faced with the choice to either follow Allah or die, I'd give the old boy a try before falling on my sword for some other God(s) nobody's ever seen. No organized religion is worth mine or my family's life.


:notsure: ?? Huh? Didn't you just get done saying:

You kiddin? Come after my family and I'll gut you like a fish. :rambo:
But fighting for one phony, unprovable deity over another is so, um, "Middle Ages." :verycool:


When Osama comes knocking on your door (today, not the middle ages) he, if he knocks or offers you a choice at all, is going to say "Allu Akbar? Or shall I kill you, infidel dog?" So which is it, do you choose death or do you chose a new life of Allah worship and collaboration with those who seek to destroy your great country? I hope I'd have the strength of conviction and character to face my death while lunging for his throat armed with nothing but my stubby fingers. :)
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:22 am

coalkirk wrote:
stockingfull wrote:Anybody remember Dana Carvey doing Bush 41?

"Naa-gaa-happen."

I don't subscribe to the "Glenn Beck Armageddon school." I don't believe that 1.3 Billion Muslims are radical, or even destined to be somehow controlled by radicals.

That's not to say I don't agree that radical clerics are a problem. But people will only follow radicals to their doom when the other choices are no better. If we can make sure that's not the case, the radical voices will be marginalized.

And I'll say another thing: not that I'm looking for it, but, were I ever faced with the choice to either follow Allah or die, I'd give the old boy a try before falling on my sword for some other God(s) nobody's ever seen. No organized religion is worth mine or my family's life.

:surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender:
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You must be french

Speaking of the cheese eating surrender monkeys, they've announced today they are sending "several hundred" more troops to Afghanistan. Maybe it's because they heard that 675 kilos of hashish was confiscated there yesterday. Those darn french.
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: BugsyR On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:31 pm

Devil5052 wrote:
stockingfull wrote:You kiddin? Come after my family and I'll gut you like a fish. :rambo:

But fighting for one phony, unprovable deity over another is so, um, "Middle Ages." :verycool:



Some people here think they speak directly to their God. (you know..like David Koresh)
Unfortunately, that is not the only "Voice" they hear in their heads ;)


We don't think we "speak directly to" our God. We believe and know we speak directly to our God....and NO not like Mr. Koresh. And you're also right...His is NOT the only voice in MY head...unfortunately.
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: BugsyR On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:36 pm

stockingfull wrote:You kiddin? Come after my family and I'll gut you like a fish. :rambo:


Knock Knock!!!

"Who's THERE???"

Ahmed Mohammed Tuna

:lol:
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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: spc On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:01 pm

Gather your family around and watch this:

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Re: The Enemy

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:49 pm

spc wrote:
ken wrote:of all the religons on this planet , islam , hindu , buddist , catholic , ect ect ect. not one of them has one shread proof their God is real. man would like to think after he dies you go somewhere. thats the bottom line in religon. you just rot away in the ground. bummer , but thats the truth.
I recommend this book, "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist." by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek.


Explain the dinosaurs.
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