Questions About a Hitzer 50-93 and a Hearthpad

 
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Post by coal nut » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 10:36 pm

freetown fred wrote:Sooo, ya figure those bigger tiles are 12" & the small ones are 4". You tell me CN?
Im not figuring that any of them are 12".
I'm figuring the borders are at best, 8" and the centers at best, 9".

Unless the pics are an optical illusion, there's no way in hell 16" in front FF!!

Also the front legs are in front of the full tile lessening tile depth more.
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Post by Bagodonuts » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 10:46 pm

I have the info on that pad here somewhere, I'll get my wife to dig it out tomorrow. The dealer told me it was Ok to lay it right over the carpet. Also I'll recheck those clearances when I go to the house tomorrow. The stove isn't lit for now, I just want to get it right before we move in . Thanks guys!

 
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Post by warminmn » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 11:03 pm

I really like the color matching with the stove and carpet. Looks very nice.

The following is just my opinion and maybe an idea or two you can use, or not. I would slide the stove back just a little. I would lay something non-flameable between the pad and the wall, starting under the edge of the pad... a cheap way that would still look nice would be a sheet of tin on top of the carpet, then a couple close matching tile on top of that tin.

Then, measure the distance from your stove to the wall. If the stove is 36" away from the wall, no issue there. If the pipe is also 18" away, you are good to go. Now heres where I may confuse you. If the stove is 36" away but the pipe is closer than 18", you can just put a shield, spaced an inch or two away, on the side of the pipe facing the wall. Ive used an 8" stove pipe cut lengthwise in half to make one, attached to the 6" pipe with screws and spacers, but there are lots of options with that..... or you can just lean some type of fire protection against the wall, with 1" of space at the top of it. Lots of cheap options with that too.

They sell non-flameable carpet peices to put in front of fireplaces and I'd put one of those in front of your pad.

As for an ash mess, it shouldnt be an issue if your careful. You can lay a moist towel under your doors anytime you open a door to catch most of the ash, which should be minimal anyway, as Fred has mentioned. An ash vac will help if you want to buy one. Its only as messy as you make it. Shut off any fans and blowers before doing anything stops most of the mess.

I am going to add a picture soon of something I put under my stove as my stove gets hot on the bottom, for fire protection. You may not even need it, depending on how hot your stove gets.

 
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Post by warminmn » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 11:19 pm

OK, I took a couple pics, one shows how much wood and coal ash has accumulated in 3 months as I havent cleaned my hearth yet this year and as I'm not very careful. :lol: You can do much better on that than me! But 98% of my mess still stays on my pad.

I have a plywood hearth, with tile and then tin on top after I broke a few tiles by dropping wood on them. The bottom of my stove gets hot so I added this. First, set some porcelain fence insulators on your pad under the stove. Then, I cut a piece of cement board and set it on top of the fence insulators. Thats all you'd have to do, but to make it look better you could put matching tile on top of the cement board. I have firebrick on top of the cement board as I had them, but they arent needed.

Again, this may not be needed but if you feel you need to do something its a cheap option.

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Post by freetown fred » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 7:51 am

Damn CN, even w/ your calculations--it gives 17" & legs are WHAT??? 1/2" past tile line??
coal nut wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Sooo, ya figure those bigger tiles are 12" & the small ones are 4". You tell me CN?
Im not figuring that any of them are 12".
I'm figuring the borders are at best, 8" and the centers at best, 9".

Unless the pics are an optical illusion, there's no way in hell 16" in front FF!!

Also the front legs are in front of the full tile lessening tile depth more.

 
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Post by titleist1 » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 8:30 am

I'm guessing 12" on the tile size going by the pic and the known width of a Hitzer 50-93 being 30".... which if correct means it is pretty close to 16" in front of the stove.

Easy enough to measure to be sure and adjust as necessary.


 
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Post by SWPaDon » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 8:44 am

titleist1 wrote:I'm guessing 12" on the tile size going by the pic and the known width of a Hitzer 50-93 being 30".... which if correct means it is pretty close to 16" in front of the stove.

Easy enough to measure to be sure and adjust as necessary.
If that's the case, the big blocks are 15" square, as the Hitzer is covering 2 squares . Unless the top of the stove is counted in the 30", then the squares on the pad are about 12" each.

Hey, FF..........got a tape measure, or yardstick?

 
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Post by freetown fred » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 8:54 am

Yep, everything depth wise--ash lip, ash door handle, not main door handle, etc---24" :)

 
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Post by titleist1 » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 9:04 am

SWPaDon wrote:Unless the top of the stove is counted in the 30"
That's what I was thinking, they counted the lip on the top as part of that 30" width. The 30" number came from the spec tab on the website. Using their depth measurement of 21" and looking at the side pic the tiles appear to be 12".

eta... missed ff's real measurement....i am still thinking 12" tiles. as I said...easy enough to measure and adjust the position on the pad.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 9:08 am

Unless the newer 50-93's have grown, over-all depth is still 24" & that's w/ blower motors & ash lip--me too on the 12"--good eye T :) --I think someone's due for an eye exam ;)

 
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Post by joeq » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 10:49 am

To the OP, bagodoughnuts?, (love the screen name, but making my sweet tooth crave), you're killing us with that front dimension. And the verdict is....? By the way, no matter what that dimension is, I'ld center that stove on the pad, just to be balanced, aesthetically. (But hey, that's just me). :)

 
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Post by Rob R. » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 11:43 am

As others have said, that hearth pad is not adequate.

I know this might be more involved than what you were planning, but I would look at tiling that corner of the room, or removing the carpet entirely. I have never regretted pulling up the carpet in my living room.

 
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Post by lowfog01 » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 12:25 pm

coal nut wrote:Stove should be further back on that hearth pad. Pad looks a little short to protect front as well as rear.You want more protection in front. Min 16"-18"

Fyi- that light carpet's going to be a mess.
I agree 100%. That pad looks way too short. How big is the ash pan? IMHO the pad in front of the stove should be large enough to act as a landing for a hot ash pan. The ability to do that will let you adjust your hand grip or in the case of my Harmons, dig the ash out that missed the ashpan.
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Mark II - Front ashpan landing pad

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My stove pad is wide enough that I can slide the hot ash pan to the side so it can cool before I carry it out to the trash can. If your stove didn't come with two Ashpans it will be worth the money to get a second one. Not having to deal with a hot ashpan is a real blessing.
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Mark II - Hot ashpan cooling off

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In addition, with a hand fed stove, no matter how careful you are, a hot coal may pop out. Obviously, with your rug you'll want a non-flammable surface for it to land on. One of those fancy non-flammable rugs will work or I went to HD and brought 6 discontinued 12 inch tiles for a couple of bucks and mortared them to a piece of pile wood. Since it's on plywood I can pick it up after the heating season. That extra 24 inches make a big difference.
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Hearth extension for the Mark I

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I don't know why the last picture turned like that and I don't know how to turn it. Maybe someone would do that for me...

 
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Post by coal nut » Mon. Dec. 28, 2015 2:09 pm

Personally, I think you should pull that pad forward at least 6-8". Then get a piece of plywood with a few pieces of durock screwed to it the width of the hearth and the depth needed to protect the pipe area. Tile that with a similar tile and lay it behind the existing hearth pad to protect the area where the pipe is. It will not only look a lot better, it will be much safer and limit a lot of dirt and damage getting onto that carpet.


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