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Post by manooti » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 11:37 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:I burned wood for many yrs., & warped MUCH heavier steel than that sheet metal you used. 1/4" will warp over time too. Use that sheet metal to get the proper size & shape of a piece that is 1/4" or 5/16" thick.
I don't know the pricing yet but I might just go all out. Get 1/4 or 1/2 inch and weld.
Time out... What about ceramic board? I know metal is better but would that be just as good?


 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 11:41 pm

manooti wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:I burned wood for many yrs., & warped MUCH heavier steel than that sheet metal you used. 1/4" will warp over time too. Use that sheet metal to get the proper size & shape of a piece that is 1/4" or 5/16" thick.
I don't know the pricing yet but I might just go all out. Get 1/4 or 1/2 inch and weld.
Time out... What about ceramic board? I know metal is better but would that be just as good?
I don't know anything about ceramic board,but I don't think you want to manhandle 1/2" thick steel baffle up on top off those angles.The angles are not that thick either.

 
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Post by D-frost » Wed. Dec. 23, 2015 8:36 am

Manooti,
Welcome, just read your thread. Don't know your location, but there is a Salvo Citation on C/L, in Attleboro, Ma. with about a dozen pictures. Good pics of stove parts. The tool you need is a 'hex' allen wrench. I would 'link' it for you, but I don't know how........MA, please pick up the house phone!
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Post by manooti » Wed. Dec. 23, 2015 4:13 pm

I just saw the one in MA. Its in pretty bad shape. Mine looks almost new. I knew it used an allen key but was hoping for real handles. Guess I got more fabricating to do.

Picking up the 1/4 inch steel from Ace. I don't think I can bend that. Might have to cut and weld.

Using the baffle with wood burning would light the smoke to prevent creosote? I know we're keeping heat within too.

 
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Post by michaelanthony » Wed. Dec. 23, 2015 4:17 pm

D-frost wrote:........MA, please pick up the house phone!
Happy Holidays!
Yes can I help you?....MA

:eek2: You didn't end your post with "cheers" :nono:

 
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Post by D-frost » Wed. Dec. 23, 2015 6:02 pm

MA,
I was going to request one of those 'cut' N paste', that I screw up, but never mind, he found it. Thanks.
Happy Holidays!....and
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Post by manooti » Wed. Dec. 23, 2015 6:06 pm

Ace guys screwed up.. he told me on phone yeah its 1/4 inch 12" x 4'. He hands me the 1/8th inch. They never had the 1/4. I should of asked him for gas refund and 45 minute drive.


 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 12:27 pm

manooti , Any progress with this project?

 
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Post by manooti » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 1:06 pm

Waiting till tomorrow to go pick up a quarter inch steel. The shop said they'll make the bends for me too for pretty cheap, 15 bucks.

Got another problem too. The grate is cracked and warped on the outer sides. I knew about it when I bought it but didn't think anything of it. Now I see how much of a pain it is to get the ashes out :-(
The sides hold the horizontals runs together so when I shake it they spread apart and jam.

And with the sheet metal I've been getting a really low burn. Can't keep flames up unless I open ash door. I might of sealed it too tight with the gaskets or maybe not enough draft or wood. The Eco bricks burn awesome though. They catch great and the flames are nice. I'm guessing the wood is still too wet if the bricks burn nicely and not the wood.

Not using coal yet until I get the thicker baffle.
Also found out if I put the fire bricks on the grate near the back and push the great from front to back I can shake it good and not jam. Is that a big deal or should I get it fixed? It looks as if the fire bricks should be between the grate and rear wall. Using it that way jams.

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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 3:15 pm

That is good news on the steel baffle,but bad news concerning the grates. Looks like new or good used grates to make this stove a coal burner again.If you were to burn only wood,you could use the stove with the broken grates.

 
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Post by manooti » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 4:14 pm

I was thinking of drilling and using nut and bolt with a piece of iron instead of welding it because they're so corroded they won't line up. And can't weld iron without it cracking so I think that would hold better. Those end pieces are held with bolts anyway. All they do is make the grate square.

I could also just remove both those two end pieces and put flat iron instead which will do the same thing pretty much.

Everything else about it is fine. Don't think I could find a used grate or a universal grate to fit this thing at the bolt/iron price, if there is any that fit anyway.

Also put a 120mm fan on the back and it's very low cfm but works great. It's pressure fitted in place by the bolts already there. Spreads the heat nice and the back stays cool to the touch until it reaches about 450 then it gets warm but not blistering.
Ordered a 6 inch 240 cfm duct fan for 15 bucks to custom fit it.

You can tell I like tinkering ;-)

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 5:49 pm

Is the piece that is broken a part of the grates that move,or is it a stationary piece ?

 
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Post by manooti » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 7:35 pm

It's stationary. That's why I was thinking that quick fix. When I shake the grate it just spreads out and jams. Sounds stupid I know. I'm afraid to drill it tho. Not much experience with cast but I guess it can't get any worse.

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 7:39 pm

Can you slide a piece of pipe on to couple the 2 pieces together ?

 
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Post by dcrane » Sun. Dec. 27, 2015 8:18 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:You will need to make the baffle fit fairly tight ,maybe up to half brick thickness gap,so it can't get bumped & fall off the angle iron brackets or the firebrick .To install,rest the back (lower end) on the brick,bring the front edge up to the angles, slide to 1 side to clear 1 angle, then tilt the whole baffle a bit,slide it back towards the other side with the baffle on top of the 1 angle,keep sliding until it clears the second angle,stop & reverse the slide with both ends on top of the both angles.I think the 22 gauge will likely warp ,not sure how quickly,altho that would depend on how hot you fire the stove. The bends....... the front edge will need a flat edge to lay on the angles,that bend should be as wide or even wider than the depth of the angles,then down to the top of the bricks & bend another flat area that will fit on top of the bricks with maybe 1/2" gap front to rear to be able to slide the plate in & out. I don't think that you will have to be super fussy with the angle degrees. :)
I'm liking windy's take on this... those angle brackets were surly for the baffle, id use more than 22 gauge because that's a fairly large flat area and the angle that baffles taking in relationship to the coal bed means its going to be taking a beating of heat! (which is its job!), try to put bends on this plate as much as possible as windy suggested if you cant bend but weld... try welding some gussets across the back in attempt to get it to hold up better... all else fails... get some free flat stock 1/4 thick and replace it every couple years as needed (disposable baffles! now theirs an idea! :lol: )

for the record... I don't like the look of that grate system at ALL! I bet brand new it sucks :lol: ... sorry just my two cents.... these guys are used to my bluntness by now... im just saying I wouldn't put a lot of money into buying new grates or concerning yourself to much (worst case grap a poker... it will work just fine)


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