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Post by manooti » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 1:43 am

Hi everyone. Im a new user. Trying to kick the habit :D

I bought a used Salvo Machinery Citation but no manual and no information other than it is one of 4 models listed on the UL sticker on the back. Clearances are ok and all that good stuff, according to the sticker. Only problem is, the grates really do suck and I don't know how to fix those things. The firebox ceiling looks like it is missing some pieces. Maybe a ceramic blanket or a catalyst or custom firebricks? And the best part, no handles. I have to use a pry bar in the socket to turn the hex socket on the ash door and the 2 glass doors.

I'm really close to getting this passed by the inspector but would like some more information just in case. And some piece of mind.

Any recommendations?
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 7:03 am

Welcome Manooti,

This thread might have info to help you. Refurbishing a Salvo Citation

This You Tube vid shows how to shake the grates, but not much else.


You can try contacting them and see if the company is still in business. Salvo Machinery, Inc. 220 Shove Street PO Box 6145. Fall River, MA 02724 508-678-7507

Read this thread at the top of this page about "How to Light a Hand fired Coal Stove".

For installation help there's guys on here with more experience operating that style of coal stove who can answer any questions you have.

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Post by manooti » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 12:59 pm

I checked that before and the company is out of business. Not sure what else to do at this point.
It works but would of been nice to know what it needs. I'm new to this stuff so don't know if I need a thermal barrier, a catalyst, a ceramic blanket or what. Not sure if I have too much draft too. I know with the stove pipe off the chimney can suck a tissue out of your hands. I tried an all night burn last night.. It lasted 2 hours lol. Half asleep test laying next to stove.

Just hoping for no chimney fire. And a decent burn without cracking her.

I added a pic of the firebox ceiling. Maybe it needs something?

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Post by windyhill4.2 » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 2:43 pm

The smoke baffle is missing,most of the heat is going right up the chimney. 2 hr. burn..... I will guess that you only put a few inches of coal in,with coal ,you need to fill the stove full... FULL. That makes a good controllable fire that should last for 12 hrs.,depending on the stove.

 
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Post by manooti » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 3:29 pm

That's amazing! Is the baffle an easy fix? I've read that a metal insert can be used. Should the baffle be under the rear flue? From the way I see it, it looks like the plate would be at an angle just below the rear outlet and nothing to support it on the back end. I'm guessing the firebricks will hold it. Can I get a piece of steel, iron or something? Is it safe to fire it in the meantime?

The draft can suck a piece of paper through the wall thimble so would that be enough for the stove with the baffle? Right now when I fire it, the flames go through the flue. I checked outside and no smoke when flames are going but when I turn it down there's smoke so I'm guessing creosote.

I've been using wood because I wasn't sure if it was safe or not to use coal yet. Trying to be safe and not blow her up. The wood I got is still wet even though the guy I got it from said it was seasoned. Good thing I only got a few bundles to test and not cords.

This just brightened up my day! Oh and I haven't put too much wood in there. Split the wood down to half because the guy gave me 18 inches and doesn't fit. Put 3 in and got house to a toasty 90 degrees. That was before new gaskets, firebricks and a prayer. And that was a test run too.

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 5:28 pm

Can you get a pic at a slightly lower angle ?,that previous pic does not show the whole flue pipe. The baffle obviously rests on those angle irons,it also needs to go below the bottom of the exhaust pipe..it would not be a full width of the stove so the smoke/gases can go up around the sides of the baffle & then out thru the vent pipe.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 5:33 pm

Good catch, Dave.

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Post by manooti » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 5:45 pm

I see. The angle brackets look like they're half way about in the middle.
I stacked the firebricks so I might have to remove a couple so the first row holds the plate. Nothing else in the back. It's all flat.

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Post by windyhill4.2 » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 5:57 pm

I just watched the video posted earlier,i believe the z shaped piece is the baffle. I also think that your stove has taller firebricks than the original. I am thinking that the smoke baffle rests on those 2 angle irons on the "ceiling" of the stove & the other end rests on the firebricks or a ledge that is hidden by those tall bricks.The video did not have a good view of the inside of the stove. I also clicked on the earlier posted link & scanned thru the thread to see if there was any good pic of the baffle, no luck there either.

 
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Post by manooti » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 6:06 pm

I appreciate your effort. Those bricks are new. Not original but they do fit perfect in the side brackets. Not sure if it's supposed to be different sizes for the back and sides. Not sure what else to do.

Should I just get an iron plate? Is there anything special to it like angles, extensions or just a flat piece to sit flush in the L and then rest on the firebrick below exhaust?
I'm really tempted to light some coal ;-)

Edit. The rear wall of perfectly flat. So I'm guessing the baffle sits on the bricks
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 6:08 pm

Get rid of the top row of blocks, those 11/4 splits ? View the video & when looking at the stove from the front,you can see a piece of metal on the left side,laying there outside the stove,i believe that is the smoke baffle. Looking at all the pics. & not being there,i think the baffle is roughly the width of the air tubes & goes on an angle to the top of the firebrick where it rests.The smoke would have to go out around to both sides & also some around to the front to get over & around the baffle on it's journey to the exhaust pipe.I doubt that you would want to block the space between those heat tubes at the front of the baffle,but rather leave some smoke up thru there to heat the tubes & stove top more evenly.

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 6:14 pm

Check out the video that Sunny Boy posted the link to earlier.The video isn't the greatest,but should give you a good idea of what the basic shape of the baffle is.1/4" steel or maybe 5/16.I do believe you would benefit from a mpd in the smoke pipe too,to help slow the exhaust down a bit.I also like a baro to do the automatic draft control when the wind blows.

 
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Post by SWPaDon » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 6:22 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:Check out the video that Sunny Boy posted the link to earlier.The video isn't the greatest,but should give you a good idea of what the basic shape of the baffle is.1/4" steel or maybe 5/16.I do believe you would benefit from a mpd in the smoke pipe too,to help slow the exhaust down a bit.I also like a baro to do the automatic draft control when the wind blows.
But only if the stove is used for coal. A barometric damper will feed air into a flue fire from creosote, with potentially disastrous consequences.

 
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Post by manooti » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 6:30 pm

I saw the video. He didn't really focus on the baffle too much. Can I leave mine straight or try to make those angles? What were those 2 pieces of metal plate on the right side for?

I have a manual damper and will use both wood and coal depending. Gonna keep it manual. Is mpd same as the manual damper?

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Tue. Dec. 22, 2015 7:14 pm

manooti wrote:I saw the video. He didn't really focus on the baffle too much. Can I leave mine straight or try to make those angles? What were those 2 pieces of metal plate on the right side for?

I have a manual damper and will use both wood and coal depending. Gonna keep it manual. Is mpd same as the manual damper?
You can try a strait piece of metal,i would be concerned that it might pull the rear bricks front without a flat area to sit on top of the bricks. The 2 metal "pans" on the right,i couldn't figure them out either,not sure why he didn't talk at all,maybe he can't.? Yes,the manual damper is the (mpd) manual pipe damper.


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