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Post by joeblack5 » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 7:54 am

Good morning and Merry Christmas everyone,

That is good. So it is or better was a Wagner with a Loline manufactured boiler section.

Mike you have any documentation or guess how many BTU's the boiler section was rated for? This is the 22" version.
I would think that the amount of heat exchange plates and flue path would make it very efficient. Any thoughts on that?

How would it compare to the efficiency of a EFM 520 plate version?

Later J


 
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Post by StokerDon » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 9:09 am

Joe,

I have been eye'in up that boiler for weeks now. Loline is one of the boiler manufacturers that EFM used to make there boilers over the years. So, what you have there is a nice Loline boiler with an EFM S-20 stoker and it looks like an EFM S-15 cast spacer to center the pot better in the boiler. That is a nice setup and was a good bit less money than buying a good used EFM.

You can get the date of manufacture of the EFM stoker by looking up the serial number in this EFM thread.
Dating S-15, S-20, S-22, S-30, S-35, S-45 Stokers

The serial number is on the data plate on the blower housing.

NICE! Good luck with it!

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Post by StokerDon » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 9:19 am

joeblack5 wrote:Good morning and Merry Christmas everyone,

That is good. So it is or better was a Wagner with a Loline manufactured boiler section.
Later J
Joe.

It probably makes no difference which burner is in the boiler as long as it is placed properly. For everyday use, it makes more sense to go with the EFM. Wagner is long gone out of business, good luck trying to find parts. EFM still makes the S-20 stoker, no problem getting parts.

As far as efficiency of the boiler goes, you will need to post some pictures of the inside of the boiler so we can see how hot gases flow through it.

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Post by joeblack5 » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 9:56 am

Hi Don, Thanks a lot,

Were you eyeballing it for an application or general interest?

later j

 
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Post by StokerDon » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 10:25 am

Mainly for general interest. If it got cheap enough, I would have bought it to get a good close look at it.

Merry Christmas!

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Post by joeblack5 » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 10:36 am

Hi Don, Thanks a lot,

At the end I paid $ 700, hope it handles the pressure test.

Thanks for the link. The s20 number is 86352 which would make it 1961
See if the pictures come thru

I found a number on the top of the boiler, not sure the first scribble could be 13

Strange ribbed plate material for the ash collecting area below the heat exchanger

later j

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Post by StokerDon » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 8:13 pm

joeblack5 wrote:Hi Don, Thanks a lot,

At the end I paid $ 700, hope it handles the pressure test.

Thanks for the link. The s20 number is 86352 which would make it 1961
See if the pictures come thru

I found a number on the top of the boiler, not sure the first scribble could be 13

Strange ribbed plate material for the ash collecting area below the heat exchanger

later j
Your S-20 is a brother to mine that was built in 1960. I'm very happy with mine so, yours should work with no problems.

The domestic coil nuts look like they came off without breaking anything. When you install the coil, be sure to chase the threads first and put plenty of anti-seize on the threads. Some people use brass nuts just to be sure not to break a stud.

That is a very good price for anything that has an EFM under it.

It will be very interesting to see what the gas path is like in that boiler. Form the look of those divider plates,

1) up from the fire box.
2) down into the first ribbed plate area.
3) up from the first ribbed area.
4) down into the second ribbed area.
5) then back up and out the back of the boiler? or does it exit in the base somewhere?

-Don


 
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Post by joeblack5 » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 9:03 pm

I hope so, as long as it does not leak. Also I have to make / adapt the auger part in the pot.
It is not there. The bin auger is there with a shorter threaded extension. I do not know if the flight and diameter of the bin auger is the same as the pot auger? I am sure there are plenty of people here who can help with that.
There are 5 water filled heat exchange plates. The center one goes up all the way to the top but does not open up in the water area above. Then there are also 2 triangular water channels above the burn pot.
The flue outlet cuts thru the water jacket. If it leaks I doubt if it can be fixed.

later J

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Post by Rob R. » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 9:23 pm

I think the thermal efficiency of that boiler will be very good, and probably better than what normally sits over an S-20 stoker. The boiler itself will put out a lot of heat; unless you are planning to just set it up in a large area that needs to be heating anyway, I would plan on making an insulated cover/jacket for it.

The auger fighting is the same on the bin and pot auger.

 
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Post by joeblack5 » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 10:04 pm

Great , thank you Rob, a high thermal efficiency was what I was after. What would be the diameter of the auger ? It seems that this one is much smaller then the diameter of the hole in the burn pot. May be it is not from a S20?

Later J

 
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Post by Rob R. » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 10:21 pm

The auger pipe itself is 2" schedule 40 pipe, and the auger fits inside with plenty of clearance. I am not sure of the exact dimension of the auger flights.
In this picture the pot auger is in the center, bin auger on the right.

 
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Post by gaw » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 10:52 pm

The Loline in my mother’s house is probably the larger unit. The EFM stoker burn pot turns as the 700 does. Surprisingly the stack is only 7”. My KA6 Keystoker has a 9” stack and does not heat near the space my mom’s does. The ash tub sits under the base and is dragged up a ramp for removal. The ash pit is covered by a heavy steel plate that is hinged; it tilts and rested against the side of the boiler jacket. That boiler was installed in that house in the late 40’s or early 50’s and has been hot nearly every day since. There is hardly any rust evident when we clean it. The color of the insulated jacket is green. If I get a chance I’ll post a picture but it won’t be before the New Year unfortunately, work calls.

 
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Post by joeblack5 » Fri. Dec. 25, 2015 11:06 pm

Cool, Thank you Rob, I was worried that the augers were the wrong kind. Some other stoker units I have fit the auger pretty tight in the tube? Did not realize that that was not required for proper operation. May be less chance on locking up and less friction? I will see if the two pieces I have are long enough to reach my bin.

Ok Gaw that would be nice. I am curious if this base is original. Specially the ribbed plates in the clean out area are funny. I think I have to raise this base further up to put a pan under it or make an ash auger. Hmm raising seems simpler. I have to find an old electric cabinet with sealed door to make an ash door out of it. Probably have to cut the front floor angle profile out to gain more access space for the ash pan after I raise it up some more.


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Post by StokerDon » Sat. Dec. 26, 2015 8:51 am

joeblack5 wrote:I hope so, as long as it does not leak. Also I have to make / adapt the auger part in the pot.
It is not there. The bin auger is there with a shorter threaded extension. I do not know if the flight and diameter of the bin auger is the same as the pot auger? I am sure there are plenty of people here who can help with that.
There are 5 water filled heat exchange plates. The center one goes up all the way to the top but does not open up in the water area above. Then there are also 2 triangular water channels above the burn pot.
The flue outlet cuts thru the water jacket. If it leaks I doubt if it can be fixed.

later J
You just need to by a pot auger and pipe. You can by new at any EFM dealer. If you ask they may have good used augers they can sell you for even less money. Also, put in a new pot bushing and worm bushing.

The gas path in that boiler is real nice, lots of heat exchange surface area before the flue. It even has 2 triangular tubes! If that boiler is made out of 1/4" plate and the DHW coil area is not rusted it is very likely a good pressure vessel.

Remember, only pressure test with water, not air.

I should have bought that boiler!

-Don

 
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Post by StokerDon » Sat. Dec. 26, 2015 9:05 am

Rob R. wrote:I think the thermal efficiency of that boiler will be very good, and probably better than what normally sits over an S-20 stoker. The boiler itself will put out a lot of heat; unless you are planning to just set it up in a large area that needs to be heating anyway, I would plan on making an insulated cover/jacket for it.

The auger fighting is the same on the bin and pot auger.
Rob,

This one is very similar to the Van Wert VA2400 you showed me a couple weeks ago. This Loline has one more pass though. When this one is running flat out, the stove pipe temp will likely be under 200 degrees.

-Don


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