Low Heat. Keystoker 105

 
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Post by DENNIS BAUER » Fri. Feb. 12, 2016 8:30 am

2001Sierra wrote:I agree with Oliver Power. I looked at my flame last nite and it is significally wider. It is really hard to take a picture as my glass is very dirty, and when the door is opened to flame gets weird. I will try to clean my glass tonite and provide a photo.
But in your picture Sierra the center seam is not sealed either. That's exactly how I sealed mine down when I did it as per Keystoker.


 
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Post by McGiever » Fri. Feb. 12, 2016 8:50 am

In a *PERFECT WORLD* that's all you would need.
Now add a little bow or twist and eveything changes. ;)

A wet finger will smooth out furnace cement to a near glass finish. Have a little water in a container and keep dunking finger to keep finger clean and and wet to get the good smooth finish.
Make sure not to get any cement in to air holes. ;)

 
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Post by titleist1 » Fri. Feb. 12, 2016 8:58 am

Dennis, do you know the actual distance the feeder is traveling? I know you mentioned adjusting the feed rate but did you see it change from, lets say 1/2" to 1" travel distance after the adjustment? I wonder how your feeder travel distance compares to other units. Since the PO adjusted things with the feeder I wonder if it is pushing as much coal as it can.

I am still hung up on the unit not pushing lit coals off the grates at "full" feed. :gee:

 
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Post by DENNIS BAUER » Fri. Feb. 12, 2016 9:02 am

titleist1 wrote:Dennis, do you know the actual distance the feeder is traveling? I know you mentioned adjusting the feed rate but did you see it change from, lets say 1/2" to 1" travel distance after the adjustment? I wonder how your feeder travel distance compares to other units. Since the PO adjusted things with the feeder I wonder if it is pushing as much coal as it can.

I am still hung up on the unit not pushing lit coals off the grates at "full" feed. :gee:
I can't remember at this point the actually measurement but I did measure that it was exactly in spect to what Keystoker wanted because I asked that question.

 
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Post by DENNIS BAUER » Fri. Feb. 12, 2016 9:03 am

McGiever wrote:In a *PERFECT WORLD* that's all you would need.
Now add a little bow or twist and eveything changes. ;)

A wet finger will smooth out furnace cement to a near glass finish. Have a little water in a container and keep dunking finger to keep finger clean and and wet to get the good smooth finish.
Make sure not to get any cement in to air holes. ;)
I guess I'll be sealing it down the center, and believe me I have a lot of time running silicone working in the RV business. I think 90% of a camper is held together with it.

 
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Post by oliver power » Fri. Feb. 12, 2016 4:07 pm

blrman07 wrote:First off Dennis post some photo's of the grate showing the fire. Keystokers tell the story by the fire on the grate!!!
When I read this reply, I thought to myself, "Yes, blrman07 is right". I continued reading through ALL the replies. Many members mentioned the sealing of the grates, and clearing holes. So, to me, it wasn't worth mentioning again. Looking at the pictures again, I noticed only two grates. I remember thinking to myself, "only one seam in the center to seal". The second I spotted the church steeple in the middle of the grate, the bell rang. I instantly thought of blrman07's reply. "Keystokers tell the story by the fire on the grate". Yes, I sealed my grates all the way. Also, I measured the travel on my pusher block. It measures 11/16 . I know I'm about 4-1/2 turns back from full feed. Which is one more turn back from where I normally run. With 3 groups of four pins in the timer, I was still having the high limit triggering the dump zone. I backed the feed off that one extra turn, due to warmer than usual winter. All is well :) .

 
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Post by 2001Sierra » Fri. Feb. 12, 2016 8:16 pm

Here are my flame pictures, I am not as good as others taking them. The flame does have a fair amount of width.

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Post by oliver power » Sat. Feb. 13, 2016 9:41 am

2001Sierra wrote:Here are my flame pictures, I am not as good as others taking them. The flame does have a fair amount of width.
Hi Sierra, I see you have the same air leak between the grates. Maybe the air leak doesn't matter much. Personally, I would think it does matter. That's why I sealed my grates all the way. Sierra, can you get a measurement of your pusher block travel?

 
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Post by 2001Sierra » Sat. Feb. 13, 2016 3:41 pm

My push block travel is 11/16ths of an inch. The photo of my grates is factory install but when I reseal annually I also cement down the center as well.

 
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Post by DENNIS BAUER » Fri. Jan. 13, 2017 9:22 am

Morning Everyone,

So I'm still chasing this issue of low heat. With the recent cold snap where the weather was in the singles degits I couldn't keep the house above 60*.
There has been a lot of different threads running on the Keystokers 90's and 105's so I've been reading up on those. Tried all the of the things suggested I think.

I've replaced the combustion blower, pulled the pusher block apart and cleared area and made sure unit was running smoothly and fully. still only pulling about 475 on the side of the stove. What I'm thinking is either my fan/hi limit switch is faulted or the convection blower is having issues.

Here is why. I had the fan settings for 175 on and 125 off. just as the stove would start to get up on temp after litting it, the convection blower and the feed motor would shut off. what I found odd was the manual over ride switch for the fan would not work as well when the stove was hot.

I cleaned the blower out and made sure there was no obstructions. I lowered the temps to 150* on and 100* off. and the stove was running great! Temp on the side of the stove box actually went up 100* hotter then it has ever since I've owned it. I was very please with this heating machine at this point.

A couple hours later got up and checked the stove and the thermostat was still 5 degrees short, the feed motor and combustion blower were still running, the temp was down to the 475* again. Convection blower was not running and could not be tripped on with the manual switch. Also the motor to said fan was very warm.

I'm thinking it has an issue with the fan but due to having to come to work I did not have a chance to get the meter out and check to see if I had power coming out of the fan switch. I'm thinking it's either fan switch or the Fan itself.

Just looking to see if everyone thinks I'm going in the right direction.

Also my feed rate is maxed out all the way and I still can not push coals off the end of the tray after the stove has been running for better part of 3 hrs. I think this has something to do with the high limit being tripped and stopping power to the feed and the convection blower.

If everyone thinks it's a fan/high limit switch I can grab one on my way home from work instead of going come and going back out.

 
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Post by McGiever » Fri. Jan. 13, 2017 9:52 am

Fan/Limit does: 1.] fan-on/off, 2.] High Limit to cut off power to feeder and fan at over temp situation.
100/150*F is okay for fan
200*F is high limit...must set to 200...some are fixed/non-adjustable at factoy 200.

By your description high limit is killing all power to feeder and fan...what is HL set at?
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Post by DENNIS BAUER » Fri. Jan. 13, 2017 9:54 am

McGiever wrote:Fan/Limit does: 1.] fan-on/off, 2.] High Limit to cut off power to feeder and fan at over temp situation.
100/150*F is okay for fan
200*F is high limit...must set to 200...some are fixed/non-adjustable at factoy 200.

By your description high limit is killing all power to feeder and fan...what is it set at?
High limit is set to 200.

 
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Post by McGiever » Fri. Jan. 13, 2017 10:04 am

You need to voltage test w/ meter when fan power goes away.
Those fans do run hot and since power seem cut off to both fan and feeder I'm thinking fan/limit is at fault.

Fan/limit can be damaged by letting dial move when adjusting fan on/off settings...this is printed on the f/l dial.

One more 'test' w/ existing f/l before replacing...set fan at, on=125, off=80 this may just solve your problem???

 
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Post by DENNIS BAUER » Fri. Jan. 13, 2017 12:12 pm

McGiever wrote:You need to voltage test w/ meter when fan power goes away.
Those fans do run hot and since power seem cut off to both fan and feeder I'm thinking fan/limit is at fault.

Fan/limit can be damaged by letting dial move when adjusting fan on/off settings...this is printed on the f/l dial.

One more 'test' w/ existing f/l before replacing...set fan at, on=125, off=80 this may just solve your problem???
My plan is to test this as soon as I get home and I'll also drop the temp settings on the on off. I'm assuming that is why the unit is not pushing coal off the tray even though it is running full turns in.

Am I correct with the full run is 16 turns?

 
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Post by McGiever » Fri. Jan. 13, 2017 1:34 pm

DENNIS BAUER wrote:
McGiever wrote:You need to voltage test w/ meter when fan power goes away.
Those fans do run hot and since power seem cut off to both fan and feeder I'm thinking fan/limit is at fault.

Fan/limit can be damaged by letting dial move when adjusting fan on/off settings...this is printed on the f/l dial.

One more 'test' w/ existing f/l before replacing...set fan at, on=125, off=80 this may just solve your problem???
My plan is to test this as soon as I get home and I'll also drop the temp settings on the on off. I'm assuming that is why the unit is not pushing coal off the tray even though it is running full turns in.

Am I correct with the full run is 16 turns?
BTW: Keystoker manual says 160*F= ON and 120*F= OFF for th Fan/Limit, my above setting is just for testing Only.

:idea: And we need to consider the details of the t'stat into all this also.

Here is some related discussion: Keystoker 90 Not Feeding Enough Coal
WHITE COAL FEED ADJUSTMENT:
Turn clockwise for more coal feed, Turn counter clockwise for less coal feed.
:) When all else fails, read the manual:
Keystoker/90/105/Keystoker-90-105-regular-Owners-Installation-Operation-Manual.pdf


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