Using a Magazine in a Glenwood #6

 
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Post by Canaan coal man » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 6:53 am

Hello to all the G6 owners. Im thinking about trying a magazine in my G6.
I wanted to ask guys that have used one. What are the pros and cons? Some time Ill come home late from work to a weak fire and was wondering if the mag would help with this. I understand that pre heated coal in the mag will need less to no baby sitting after a healthy shake down? Any input would be great.

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Post by KingCoal » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 7:47 am

never mind, nothing to see here, move along, move along.

i thought I had a helpful link but you were a contributor to the thread to start with. :oops:

 
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Post by Canaan coal man » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 7:57 am

KingCoal wrote:never mind, nothing to see here, move along, move along.

i thought I had a helpful link but you were a contributor to the thread to start with. :oops:
Ya I know there are a few threads on here ive searched some and posted in others but now that im actually operating the stove I wanted to start a fresh thread getting peoples thoughts, I remember reading before and the opinions on mag vs no mag were kinda murky.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 7:59 am

I have a Wings Best that is the same as a #6 and member dlj got me a magazine cast. He also made one for himself and presumably is an expert. and with luck he will chip in here. Fitting is simple but I have yet to fit mine. I do use a magazine in my Red Cross Garnet #48 and it's OK for the use you outlined. Good luck with it. Magazines were optional extras with those stoves when new. Somehow I am not a wild fan but then I am retired and home mostly as let us know how you get on. Remember we need lots of pics - we LOVE pics.
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You are stimulating me, if true winter ever comes here I may fit the damned thing. The negative is for me the ability to run the stove super low which is the main issue I have this winter. Last winter I had the stove flat out at times and that mag would have been really good..... there are always downsides to everything.

 
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Post by tsb » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 8:41 am

If your short, you'll need a step stool to load it.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 8:52 am

and if you are tall but old, fat and weak you will need an asst to hold it in place if you need to do any grinding to fit it in place as will be the case with me. Fortunately my wife can help.

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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 9:04 am

Yes, the mag not only adds extra coal capacity, it is supposed to shorten, or eliminate the time need to wait for fresh coal to get going before resetting the dampers. I would think that by only filling through the mag, it also makes it tougher to overfill the firepot and bury a fire risking a stalled fire, and/or, puff back. However, I have not run my #6 yet.

I have one of the mags made during Dave's project. I've installed it and removed it a number of times. And I've filled and weighed how much coal it holds.

With a 1 inch thick firebrick lining like the #6 originally had, it holds 50 pounds of nut coal. The magazine adds roughly 20 pounds more for a total of 70 pounds.

I haven't tried measuring how much stove coal firepot and mag hold combined, but other tests show a 10% reduction by weight when using stove coal in the same size firebox/firepot and mag, as when using nut coal. So I'm gonna say about 63 pounds when using stove coal.

The mag on the #6 is easy to put in and out for changes of season. Open the MPD fully and put the stove in direct draft. Swing the bonnet aside. Lift and swing the round cover aside. Slide the mag down into place. Fill with coal. Put the round cover back. Swing the bonnet back. Switch the dampers back to indirect draft. Obviously, I haven't taken it out while the stove and mag are hot. Hope to do that in the not too distant future. :roll:

The last picture is the mag with 22 pounds of nut coal. In place, with a full firepot mounded up to the mag it actually only adds 20 pounds the one time I measured. I need to do several filling/weighing tests more to get a better average total.

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Post by Canaan coal man » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 9:06 am

tsb wrote:If your short, you'll need a step stool to load it.
Im 6'6" no probs here :D

 
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Post by lobsterman » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 9:19 am

Canaan coal man wrote:Hello to all the G6 owners. Im thinking about trying a magazine in my G6.
I wanted to ask guys that have used one. What are the pros and cons? Some time Ill come home late from work to a weak fire and was wondering if the mag would help with this. I understand that pre heated coal in the mag will need less to no baby sitting after a healthy shake down? Any input would be great.

Thanks
Brenden
Really? The burn time is very long with that stove. 12 hours without even thinking. 24 hours is no problem if you cone it up good and idle it down. You probably know on a weak fire you have to open up the primary and damper before touching it. Let it come alive. Then add coal (even kindling if desperate). Let it catch good. Then shake.

 
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Post by Sunny Boy » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 9:38 am

lobsterman wrote:
Canaan coal man wrote:Hello to all the G6 owners. Im thinking about trying a magazine in my G6.
I wanted to ask guys that have used one. What are the pros and cons? Some time Ill come home late from work to a weak fire and was wondering if the mag would help with this. I understand that pre heated coal in the mag will need less to no baby sitting after a healthy shake down? Any input would be great.

Thanks
Brenden
Really? The burn time is very long with that stove. 12 hours without even thinking. 24 hours is no problem if you cone it up good and idle it down. You probably know on a weak fire you have to open up the primary and damper before touching it. Let it come alive. Then add coal (even kindling if desperate). Let it catch good. Then shake.
You can increase the burn time. However, you can't increase the size of the ash pan. Still gotta tend it at the same intervals to empty the ashes. The plus is not cooling the fire/stove with fresh coal, or having to wait as long (babysitting the stove) for it to get going before resetting the dampers.

Unless you remove ashes like they did with some coal ranges - cut holes through the floor of the ash draw and the room floor and put a drop pipe down through into the lid of a large steel ash can underneath the stove in the basement. Would be some tricky cutting/fitting with the base heater chamber there, too. :shock:

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Post by Canaan coal man » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 9:51 am

lobsterman wrote:
Canaan coal man wrote:Hello to all the G6 owners. Im thinking about trying a magazine in my G6.
I wanted to ask guys that have used one. What are the pros and cons? Some time Ill come home late from work to a weak fire and was wondering if the mag would help with this. I understand that pre heated coal in the mag will need less to no baby sitting after a healthy shake down? Any input would be great.

Thanks
Brenden
Really? The burn time is very long with that stove. 12 hours without even thinking. 24 hours is no problem if you cone it up good and idle it down. You probably know on a weak fire you have to open up the primary and damper before touching it. Let it come alive. Then add coal (even kindling if desperate). Let it catch good. Then shake.
yes the burn times are great but the with the last cold snap running her between 600-700* 12hr is max before the stove loses barrel temp. in the future I cant predict ill be home for that tend. That little extra coal falling out of the mag as the pot settles thru the burn cycle will help cushion those barrel temps. I Think? :?

 
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Post by lobsterman » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 9:57 am

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yes the burn times are great but the with the last cold snap running her between 600-700* 12hr is max before the stove loses barrel temp. in the future I cant predict ill be home for that tend. That little extra coal falling out of the mag as the pot settles thru the burn cycle will help cushion those barrel temps. I Think? :?[/quote]

Are you really running at 600-700 when you are not home? Hmm... I always shot for around 350.

 
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Post by Canaan coal man » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 9:57 am

curiosity is killing the cat. I might have to start looking for a rare mag or make my own. I wasn't in the baseburner club yet when everybody did the magazine buy in. Paul can I bug you when the time comes for dimensions of your cast magazine?

 
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Post by Canaan coal man » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 10:00 am

lobsterman wrote:[
yes the burn times are great but the with the last cold snap running her between 600-700* 12hr is max before the stove loses barrel temp. in the future I cant predict ill be home for that tend. That little extra coal falling out of the mag as the pot settles thru the burn cycle will help cushion those barrel temps. I Think? :?[/quote]

Are you really running at 600-700 when you are not home? Hmm... I always shot for around 350.[/quote]

I needed it in this last batch of nasty weather to keep the house around 70*. Maybe I should hurry up and install the chubby in the basement to ease the stress on the G6. But ive been reading that those don't shake as nice as my prismatic grates on the glenwood.

 
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Post by lobsterman » Sat. Jan. 09, 2016 10:23 am

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I needed it in this last batch of nasty weather to keep the house around 70*. Maybe I should hurry up and install the chubby in the basement to ease the stress on the G6. But ive been reading that those don't shake as nice as my prismatic grates on the glenwood.[/quote]

The Chubby does not really have a classic shaking grate. It is more of an "ash drop" system. It is not designed to grind clinkers like the prismatics. Indeed, it will not shake anywhere near the same as the No. 6.


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