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Post by waldo lemieux » Sat. Apr. 09, 2016 10:44 am

StokerDon wrote: I think the $72 per hour electrician owes Leon a big refund!
That guy deserves to go to the wood shed ..... Then take a canoe trip with Ned Beatty and Burt Reynolds .... toothy


 
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Post by lzaharis » Sat. Apr. 09, 2016 10:56 am

waldo lemieux wrote:
StokerDon wrote: I think the $72 per hour electrician owes Leon a big refund!
That guy deserves to go to the wood shed ..... Then take a canoe trip with Ned Beatty and Burt Reynolds .... toothy
Is this happening with the Banjo music in anticipation of the big finish Waldo??

 
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Post by waldo lemieux » Sat. Apr. 09, 2016 11:01 am

yep :!:

 
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Post by nepacoal » Sat. Apr. 09, 2016 2:54 pm

I'm glad your system is finally wired correctly and working as designed. I bet Keystoker will be happy to hear from you Monday with news that it was a wiring issue and not a Keystoker (or Hydro level) problem.

 
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Post by Scottscoaled » Sat. Apr. 09, 2016 4:07 pm

He's not done yet! Wait until it get's warm. That's when it happens ;)

 
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Post by waldo lemieux » Sun. Apr. 10, 2016 6:18 pm

Leon, When I was over I didnt take note of which model astat that was on the boiler. could you look at it and see if you can find a model number on the unit and not just the cover? I also remember I used the spade terminal and I don't remember which other , top or middle.........

 
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Post by lzaharis » Mon. Apr. 11, 2016 11:28 am

Hello Waldo,

The existing(mounted) Hydrostat 3250 Plus had a hand written number on the first page of the installation and information booklet which is #22151. The date stamped on the inner information sheet glued to the inside of the door was June 8, 2015. The date on the box of the one I was given to replace it was July 31, 2015.

Apparently Hydrolevel uses the manufaturing date for inventory tracking rather than applying serial numbers to their inventory.

The wiring on the L6006A is as follows:

The white thermostat wire is connected to the spade terminal with the 90 degree shovel connector you provided. The red thermostat wire is connected to the Red Terminal on the top of the L6006A adjacent to the temperature wheel.

The wire positions on the coal oil switch when you came by on Friday were:

1. Red
2. Blue
3. Yellow
4. Black
5.Orange
6. spade terminal is not used

The wire positions are the the same now as they were when the Keystoker electrician installed it.

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In the photo images that Brian from Keystoker sent me to me the Coal Oil Switch is vertical in thier images and assuming the coal oil switch is on coal of course.

the top three spade terminals have three wires 1.red 4.black and 2.blue
Assuming the same RobertShaw switch is used as marked on the switch case wiring diagram.

On the the lower row of 3 spade terminals the 1st and 3rd terminals have wires. In my identifying the wire Yellow is in the number 3 tab and orange wire is on number five tab.

The Black, Red and White wires exit the coal oil switch box through the BX 90 degree connector and continue on to the timer.

The blue wire exits the switchbox and connects at B1

After enlarging the photo image you see that the Orange and Yellow wire Terminations "SHARE" L1 in the Hydrostat 3250 Plus. It explains why the center lower terminal is unused in the coal oil switch.

This is not how my KAA-4-1 wiring harness was wired as you saw when you were here.

As long as it works and is safe to operate all is good.

I slowed the stoker down again by backing it off one turn this morning.


 
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Post by McGiever » Mon. Apr. 11, 2016 12:31 pm

In the photo images that Brian from Keystoker sent me to me the Coal Oil Switch is vertical in thier images and assuming the coal oil switch is on coal of course.

the top three spade terminals have three wires 1.red 4.black and 2.blue
Assuming the same RobertShaw switch is used as marked on the switch case wiring diagram.

On the the lower row of 3 spade terminals the 1st and 3rd terminals have wires. In my identifying the wire Yellow is in the number 3 tab and orange wire is on number five tab
All this verbiage means little w/o a picture to go along with it.
I have a Oil/Coal schematic downloaded from Keystoker but your 1.red 4.black and 2.blue; 3 spade terminals the 1st and 3rd terminals have wires; the wire Yellow is in the number 3 tab and orange wire is on number five tab just doesn't align to the schematic with the lingo provided. :(

Picture is worth a thousand words. :roll:

 
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Post by lzaharis » Mon. Apr. 11, 2016 3:34 pm

Hello McGeiver,

The schematic they need to update is an old one with the Honeywell triple aquastat controls.

Here in the enclosed attachment is what they sent me the other day.

Why they change wire color and positions with out wire numbers is really a no no anyway unless a master legend for wire runs and switches is used and a statement about which wire color can be substituted for green-ground(orange wire was used for ground when no green wire was available) in my old employers case or why wire numbers were not used(which I will be using) when changing it out are another matter.

Manufacturers change wire colors on occasion simply on the basis of what they have in inventory.

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Hydrostat dual fuel control.zip
.ZIP | 1MB | Hydrostat dual fuel control.zip

 
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Post by waldo lemieux » Mon. Apr. 11, 2016 5:14 pm

My opinion is that if you have to rely on wire numbers and colors or schematics for that matter ,you shouldnt be messin with it. You need to know what the components do , when they're supposed to operate and not , the boiler control logic and a meter . If you cant get by with that call somebody. For instance the spdt astat for dump zone(this case) is either not the one the cover says or is defective; as the two termminals that make on temp increase are the top and the bottom and everything I can find says its supposed to be the top two or the bottom two depending on model. Which was the way it was hooked up but the only circut that was normally open and closed on increase were top and bottom. Point is that if you don't know how to meter (verify) things out just looking a papers and pictures can lead to DRAMA!

 
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Post by lzaharis » Mon. Apr. 11, 2016 5:25 pm

I agree completely on this with you Waldo.
I think its safe to cancel this soap opera now due
to low viewer ratings :lol:

The plumbers called today looking for thier money.

I said the check was put in the mail at the end of last week :lol:

They will get it as soon as the mailman delivers it. :lol:

Its not my fault all the mail gets sent to Rochester, New York
for sorting and then sent back here to be sorted again at the
local post office and then delivered.

 
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Post by Rob R. » Mon. Apr. 11, 2016 6:52 pm

Did your plumbers do the wiring that turned out to be incorrect?

 
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Post by lzaharis » Tue. Apr. 12, 2016 9:41 am

Hello Rob,

According to Waldo the electrician and the plumbers made mistakes.

 
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Post by lzaharis » Wed. Apr. 13, 2016 4:44 pm

Hello Waldo,

Sorry for not getting back to this sooner.

The single aquastat in my system is the Honeywell L6006A.

Everything is good and I have had no issues since you
found the problems and corrected them for us.

I backed the stoker off one more thread the other day and
its just purring right along burning very little coal.

Thank you very much.

OH, and I received another bill from the plumbers requesting
full payment for services rendered reminding me the bill was 4 days past due.

Got to love it though: The plumbers deposited the check we sent them.
SO we are waiting for a revised bill which will probably show up on 1 May.
SO the drama continues for one more month.

 
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Post by Olllotj » Thu. Apr. 14, 2016 4:11 pm

Did they use Propress fittings? I didn't know that professional plumbers used those.


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