Updated Hot Water Baseboard System Design Calculator

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Post by lsayre » Sat. Feb. 06, 2016 10:46 am

I've updated my spreadsheet for designing a hot water baseboard heating system for your home, and it is attached here.

The only required (and possible) user input (blue fields) is:
1) Enter your homes various rooms names and their dimensions
2) Enter your local areas nominal annual heating degree days (HDD's)
3) Enter your maintained mid range boiler temperature

The spreadsheet does all the rest. It tells you:
1) Feet of fintube baseboard required per room
2) GPM of flow required in each zone to achieve a 20 degree Delta-T
3) Number of zones required
4) Boilers minimum required BTUH output
5) The progression of declining water temperature as water flows through your baseboards
6) The progression of remaining BTUH heat energy as water flows through your baseboards

Run it first for the whole house to determine your overall requirements. Then after you have all of the overall information, you can (if desired) fine tune your GPM's required for a Delta-T of 20 degrees in each individual zone by entering the zones one at a time. Just zero the dimensions for any rooms that are not on a particular zone loop to accomplish this.

The core aspects of the logic are sound, but admittedly, not all of the spreadsheet logic is correct. Some of it is empirically speculative to the point of being merely educated guess work. This is an evolving work in process. I believe that it should yield for you a satisfactory working hot water baseboard heating system though. As they say, you are getting what you pay for. All help in approving it is appreciated. You are free to modify at will.
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Post by waldo lemieux » Sat. Feb. 06, 2016 6:21 pm

Sir,

I am not in need of your work at the moment but I hope someone will make it a sticky so Ill know where to look. I applaud your efforts! :clap:

 
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Post by lsayre » Sat. Feb. 06, 2016 6:34 pm

Thanks Waldo! When I compare it with my own house I get an almost perfect baseboard length match, room for room. But then, as they say, computer programs can only output what the programmer intends them to output. And my house played a big part in driving the underlying spreadsheet logic.

 
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Post by waldo lemieux » Sat. Feb. 06, 2016 7:25 pm

Im not going to attempt to understand the logic.... it only leads to hangovers. Ill leave that to you! Its why I call you "NUMBERS" :D


 
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Post by Rob R. » Sat. Feb. 06, 2016 8:08 pm

It is a good start. I don't mean to nitpick, but it is not a good idea to ignore the amount of windows and doors in a room when calculating the radiation. The "crack length" to the outside can make a noticeable difference in the amount of heat loss. I recently got a firsthand education on this when my brother had to add radiation in a room with a bunch of glass and an outside door.

Larry, have you ever used Slant Fin's "Hydronic Explorer" program?

 
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Post by lsayre » Sat. Feb. 06, 2016 8:24 pm

Rob R. wrote:Larry, have you ever used Slant Fin's "Hydronic Explorer" program?
I have never heard of it. Will it run in Linux?

 
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Post by Rob R. » Sat. Feb. 06, 2016 8:43 pm

You would have to run it in WINE. Not sure what that would involve. Anyway, it is a simple program that allows you to calculate the heat loss room by room with a bunch of data inputs. Very simple to use.

Here is a screenshot:
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Post by Sting » Sat. Feb. 06, 2016 9:31 pm

I use Slatfin = with a brothel of Jack

I mean a bottle


 
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Post by lsayre » Sun. Feb. 07, 2016 4:54 pm

I should add that if you have exotic things like cathedral ceilings, or highly unusual amounts of windows, or anything greater than the typical 8 foot ceilings my spreadsheet is likely destined to fail for you. The foundation of its underlying math is a rather run of the mill ranch style mid 1960's home with 8 foot ceilings.

 
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Post by Rob R. » Sun. Feb. 07, 2016 4:57 pm

When in doubt, install extra baseboard and close the dampers if needed. :)

 
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Post by lsayre » Sun. Feb. 07, 2016 5:58 pm

When I ran the Slant/Fin baseboard design program for my house I discovered that "for my house" my spreadsheets results are extremely close overall to the Slant/Fin programs output for their 'Fine/Line 30' series baseboards, room for room. My spreadsheet was not as close a match for any of the other baseboard series offered by Slant/Fin. I believe their 30 series is their main seller.

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