Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:14 pm

2 updates in one day:

Town Meeting Update!




Sorry for the double-barrel mailing today, folks, but there are two more TM-related items you should definitely know about.

First is the time! The meeting will begin at 7:30 PM, but it might be a good idea to arrive a bit early to get through the metal detectors, etc.

Second, please find below the final version of Robert Rotberg's motion behind Article 34, as well as a proposed amendment:

FINAL MOTIONS

The following are the final motions to be offered under Article 34:

Robert Rotberg's MAIN MOTION:

RESOLVED that Town Meeting requests the Board of Selectmen to inform the Great and General Court of its concern that existing Massachusetts laws regarding assault weapons (M.G.L. c. 140, § 131M) may not sufficiently protect citizens of the Commonwealth, and Lexington. Town Meeting asks the Selectmen to initiate a town-wide discussion about assault weapons and gun violence that would lead to fully considered proposals (to be conveyed to the Great and General Court) for a strengthening of those laws.


Gang Chen's MOTION TO AMEND THE MAIN MOTION:

I move to replace the words "sufficiently protect citizens of the Commonwealth, and Lexington" with the words "be sufficiently enforced" and further replace the word "violence" with the word "safety".
Sincerely,

Lexington For Liberty

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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:44 pm

An update to the above post from Lexington For Liberty:

UPDATE: Meeting time is 7:30 PM, although you might wish to arrive a bit early due to screening, etc.

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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:50 pm

Another update from Lexington For Liberty:

Friends,

At least one Town Meeting member (and possibly others) are soliciting feedback from constituents regarding Article 34, in advance of Wednesday's meeting. If they are asking for voices to be heard, we should probably make sure that ours are among them.

Please note that this is in the context of the following, current resolution:


RESOLVED that Town Meeting requests the Board of Selectmen to inform the
Great and General Court of its concern that existing Massachusetts laws
regarding assault weapons (M.G.L. c. 140, § 131M) may not sufficiently
protect citizens of the Commonwealth, and Lexington. Town Meeting asks
the Selectmen to initiate a town-wide discussion about assault weapons
and gun violence that would lead to fully considered proposals (to be
conveyed to the Great and General Court) for a strengthening of those
laws.

Although this measure no longer constitutes a ban, there are still good reasons to oppose it as written (e.g., it's a solution in search of a problem, as there is no gun violence in Lexington; it calls for a dialog, but presupposes the outcome -- stronger laws, etc.)

The post's author represents the second precinct, and has asked feedback to be sent to precinct2@lexingtontmma.org. You may, however, adjust the email address according to your precinct.

So drop them a line if you are so inclined. Otherwise, we'll see you on Wednesday!

Sincerely,

LexForLiberty
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:07 am

It's go-time in Lexington!

From GOAL:

April 5, 2016

Dear Friends,

Please remember, everything we do, including this email is made possible by the generous support of GOAL members. If you are not a member, please consider joining GOAL, if you are a member, please consider a generous donation, purchasing raffle tickets, or attending a GOAL event.

Lexington Town Meeting Tomorrow Night - New Info!
April 5, 2016

Incredibly, it was recently revealed that the proponent of Article 34, Robert Rotberg was unaware of existing Massachusetts firearms law when composing his original by-law. Despite this embarrassing revelation, he is proceeding with his motion.

Tomorrow night, Lexington's town meeting members will be voting on Article 34, which is now a resolution asking that the town initiate a "discussion" on "gun violence".

While this may sound completely reasonable at first blush, reading the language of Article 34 tells a different story:


RESOLVED that Town Meeting requests the Board of Selectmen to inform the Great and General Court of its concern that existing Massachusetts laws regarding assault weapons (M.G.L. c. 140, § 131M) may not sufficiently protect citizens of the Commonwealth, and Lexington. Town Meeting asks the Selectmen to initiate a town-wide discussion about assault weapons and gun violence that would lead to fully considered proposals (to be conveyed to the Great and General Court) for a strengthening of those laws.


The article asks for a discussion with a predisposed outcome. Furthermore, they want the discussion to be hosted by the League of Women Voters, a group that has testified on behalf of billionaire Michael Bloomberg's gun control groups numerous times at public hearings.

We are glad that Lexington's law abiding gun owners are no longer facing the possibility of being forced to make a very difficult decision regarding their legally owned property, however, this type of anti Second Amendment bigotry cannot be tolerated.

Please attend in support tomorrow night, if you are a Lexington resident please contact your Town Meeting Member and ask that they do not support this article.

Finally, if you do plan to attend tomorrow night, please read the information here before you go.
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:26 pm

They're always at the gate,Smits ! Thanx for the updates and stay Vigilant ! :flex:
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:50 pm

Thanks Bob, and you got that right - especially in MA. We're almost overrun!


Got another update here for tonight from Lex For Liberty:

Town Meeting Agenda Update




Friends,

As we have communicated in previous alerts, TM member Gang Chen had proposed some minor edits to Rotberg's current resolution for Article 34 in order to make it more 2A-friendly.

As of today, however, Gang has announced that he is withdrawing his proposed amendment (details here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... m1QRVVV13I ) and intends to vote "no" tonight.

This is apparently a tactical decision on Gang's part. For our purposes, it will make our task tonight a bit easier. We don't have to come into the meeting with contingency plans based on whether or not Gang's amendment passes. Rather, we can focus solely on defeating Rotberg's motion exactly as it now stands:


FINAL MOTIONS

Robert Rotberg’s MAIN MOTION:

RESOLVED that Town Meeting requests the Board of Selectmen to inform the Great and General Court of its concern that existing Massachusetts laws regarding assault weapons (M.G.L. c. 140, § 131M) may not sufficiently protect citizens of the Commonwealth, and Lexington. Town Meeting asks the Selectmen to initiate a town-wide discussion about assault weapons and gun violence that would lead to fully considered proposals (to be conveyed to the Great and General Court) for a strengthening of those laws.

Thanks, and see you tonight!

LexForLiberty
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:53 am

from google link, snipped:

I hope fellow town meeting members will reject this motion and start the town-wide conversation with open mind and intension to build common ground to find a way to solve the gun problem.

Thanks
Gang Chen
Precinct 8



What gun problem? Load it, fire it, no problemo. Maybe he's outta bullets.
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:46 pm

Moonbattery prevails, unfortunately in MA. :mad:


**Lexington Update**

Lexington Town Meeting Members Ignore Gun Owners, Vote Yes On Article 34

On Wednesday April 6th, the elected representatives of the town of Lexington voted affirmatively on Article 34, 105 - 62, to initiate a town wide discussion on "gun violence".

This discussion will be hosted and sponsored by the League of Women Voters, a group that has time and again testified for restricting Second Amendment freedom.

How can a fair discussion take place, based on this knowledge?

The article that they voted on was written in a manner which already concluded that there is a "need" to orchestrate greater restrictions on our freedom in the name of "safety".

How can a fair or reasonable outcome be expected based on this?

Disappointing result for the town of Lexington, the elected officials of which smeared the town's place in history this evening.

Click here to read GOAL's blog about the evening. http://blog.goal.org/lets-talk-lexinton/

Click here for more information: http://blog.goal.org/why-the-lexington- ... -bad-idea/
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:02 pm

Forgot a section - gives you a look at the mindset we're dealing with today:

Article 34 Proponent Cites Cracked Magazine.

Turns out that the article proponent, Robert Rotberg knows very little about firearms.

As the proponent of Article 34, Robert Rotberg was given ample time to discuss his proposal and why he personally believes that the government should essentially destroy the Second Amendment rights of Lexington residents and Americans across the country.

During his presentation he stated that "assault weapons" are capable of firing 600-900 rounds per minute. Later when he was questioned about this, it became readily apparent that he has zero knowledge about firearms of any sort, he also admitted to having never fired a semi automatic firearm of any sort. He literally did not know that one bullet is fired per trigger pull.

When he was done admitting that he knew nothing of firearms, he promised to share his source for the 600-900 round per minute claim: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... o-lPELnnes

As it turns out, his source was a satire magazine called "Cracked".

Regardless, enough of Lexington's Town Meeting Members were hooked by his sensational sounding (and false) statistics to support him via a yes vote.
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:39 pm

Latest from LexForLiberty - take a look at the ridiculous handout the anti-gunner leftist was handing out at the meeting. Looks like I got ripped off - my AR15 didn't come with a GRENADE LAUNCHER! LOLOLOLOL!!!

Friends,

If Lexington is serious about engaging in a town-wide dialog on gun violence, it is imperative that all participants be well-informed, and in possession of reliable, accurate data and statistics.

It was therefore disappointing at the Town Meeting of April 6 to watch Article 34’s proponent distributing pink handouts rife with misinformation, and to have no opportunity for effectively countering or responding to it.

Robert Rotberg’s “fact” sheet contained a number of outright falsehoods and misleading data, and repeatedly mixed “apples and oranges” by conflating general firearms statistics with “assault weapons” data.

In rather poor academic form, Professor Rotberg provided no sources or citations for the claims on his handout (one wonders whether his students were allowed to get away with such omissions.)

Rotberg did face at least one question during the meeting as to the sources for his information, but was able to provide no specifics at the time, merely assuring us that they were “highly reputable gun sites” on the internet, and he would be happy to provide us with specifics at a later time, after the vote was safely taken. (We have since learned from Rotberg that his “reputable gun sites” includes the online humor magazine Cracked: http://www.lexforliberty.org/2016/04/07 ... acked-com/ )

Well thanks to a helpful attendee, we now have a copy of Rotberg’s handout: http://www.lexforliberty.org/article34_handout.pdf We think it would be a good idea to give this document the thorough scrutiny, vetting, and fact-checking it deserves. To this end, we would like to encourage our readers to download this handout and help crowdsource this fact-checking effort (as you can see, our source who provided us with this scan got us off to a head start in this effort by jotting a few notes in the margin.)

Take a look and let us know what you find out. And please help us raise the bar by providing actual sources to support your conclusions. (Bear in mind that non-biased research institutions and law enforcement agencies are preferred over satire magazines.)

We weren’t given the opportunity to mount an effective response to this during the meeting, but that doesn’t mean we can’t do so now. Thank you for your help and for your ongoing support.

Sincerely,

LexForLiberty
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:43 pm

Wow, cops sure have doubled their efforts ! Based on the handout.
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:43 pm

Smitty,
You might be able to get an upgrade for the AR at Wal-Mart when the deer season sales start. :roll:

600 - 900 rounds a minute out of a semi-auto ? That's a fast trigger finger.

And I'm surprised to see that he left out how many people are killed each year in this country by having a bayonet lug on a rifle. Or all the deaths from 40mm grenades. Seems I missed reading about all those. :roll:

No wonder Professor Rot didn't include any sources. He'd have to admit to reaching down the outhouse hole. :D

Paul
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:43 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:600 - 900 rounds a minute out of a semi-auto ? That's a fast trigger finger.

That is nonesense, most full autos don't fire 600 RPM.
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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:08 pm

Actually, many full autos do that and more. 700 and higher is not uncommon rate of fire with many military weapons like assault rifles on full auto, and light machine guns. My m-16 was rated at over 700 rpm.

And those speeds are nothing new. The Thompson submachine gun is rated at 600 and above and that was first made back in the 1920's. The WWII German MG42 was rated between 1200 and 1500 - hence it's nickname, "The buzzsaw".


But, in the real world, you don't normally use a "sustained rate of fire" unless you want to destroy a barrel. :oops:

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Re: Lexington Voting To Ban Commonly Owned Firearms & Magazines

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:14 am

The MG42 can reach 1800 with the lightest bolt. That said, no one is going to squeeze a trigger 600-900 times a minute. It is not going to happen.

I have plenty of spare barrels for MG42 if you need some.


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