Burning bit in a base burner?

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:14 pm

SWPaDon wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:With a base heater like a Glenwood #6, the back pipe flues and base chambers only way to release explosive pressure is through the flues, and/or, through the clean out door directly under the ash pan. Or to crack open seams that don't have much in the way of fasteners to hold them closed to begin with.

And, with it's greater surface area exposed to an explosive pressure wave, I'd be worried about cracking that fragile floor pan of the base chamber.

Paul

And this is the part that I can't wrap my feeble mind around. Both coals can be highly explosive given the right conditions. The coal I'm using right now works beautiful, as long as I leave some glowing coals to burn off the volatiles. The only time I get a puffback, is if I get the coals really, really hot before adding fresh.


I'm guessing it's a matter of degree of volatiles volume changes the level of risk.

Getting a fire really hot before adding more coal is exactly what some anthracite users have learned works best to get a faster recovery. So, is it quicker recovery ? Or ....QUICK, take cover. :shock:

Paul
Sunny Boy
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace


Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: fig On: Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:43 pm

I was watching the YouTube of the best coal stove ever made (glenwood) and the guy pointed out something on the back of the stove and said it was on there for burning bituminous coal.
fig
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Round Oak 1917 Door model O-3
Other Heating: woodstock fireview, enviro omega
Stove/Furnace Make: Propane

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:52 pm

Bituminous is like wood, it needs over the fire air. The G6 offers a lot of over fire air, and it can burn wood, so I personally don't see Bituminous as a problem with the stove.
The real question one might ask is...........do ya want to try it in baseheater mode. Soot will collect in the passageways, and may eventually plug it up. I have no idea how hard it is to clean out the passageways.
And Fig, there are baseburners out there that are strictly for anthracite, I've seen a lot of them here on the forum that are marked as such.
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous
Other Heating: Oil furnace

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: PJT On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:52 am

Canaan coal man wrote:I have burned bit im my G6................. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Long story short, early December I bought 15bags of nut anthracite from a buddy who just bought a house with a box stove insert. He is all about the pellet stoves, I tried to convert him to our black rock way of life but nope he traded the insert for a pellet stove. Any who, the brand was from a local coal distributor i dont remember the name. It was well sized clean and burned beautifully. One of the bags i bought was a clear plastic bag filled with smaller sized stuff like large pea size and it had no shine to it what so ever. well i saved that bag for last, and the day i filled my hod will be the first and last time i burn bit EVER. when i dumped it on the pot big smokey Yellow flames erupted. The fire smoked for hours after i loaded it even after the volitals were lit. The Stink was another thing Bit smoke gave me a headache, it smelled like a burning tire, and the ash clinked together way to easy.

The stuff is nasty, I give anyone who burns Bit credit, I dont mean to offend anyone that dose but ill never burn that donkey crap again in my life......................


I thought bit was illegal in CT??
PJT
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Magee Royal Oak; Glenwood Modern Oak 116
Other Heating: propane

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:41 am

fig wrote:I was watching the YouTube of the best coal stove ever made (glenwood) and the guy pointed out something on the back of the stove and said it was on there for burning bituminous coal.



And the maker of the vid is the YODA of all things BB here on NEPA. William aka Wsherrik. His advice is well worth taking. While sure you can/might be able to burn bit in a BB, the real issue is should you? If you think you might be saving a few $$$$ by buying bit over the cost of Anthracite weigh that against the cost of causing serious damage to your BB. It is a "Penny Wise and Pound Foolish" thing to do in my opinion. Don't forget to factor your time into the $$$ equation for the additonal cleaning you will have to do and any cost savings you might get start to look not so good.

My advice for what it is worth? Follow William's advice and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :D
ONEDOLLAR
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 2014 Chubby Prototype
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:22 am

PJT wrote:
Canaan coal man wrote:I have burned bit im my G6................. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Long story short, early December I bought 15bags of nut anthracite from a buddy who just bought a house with a box stove insert. He is all about the pellet stoves, I tried to convert him to our black rock way of life but nope he traded the insert for a pellet stove. Any who, the brand was from a local coal distributor i dont remember the name. It was well sized clean and burned beautifully. One of the bags i bought was a clear plastic bag filled with smaller sized stuff like large pea size and it had no shine to it what so ever. well i saved that bag for last, and the day i filled my hod will be the first and last time i burn bit EVER. when i dumped it on the pot big smokey Yellow flames erupted. The fire smoked for hours after i loaded it even after the volitals were lit. The Stink was another thing Bit smoke gave me a headache, it smelled like a burning tire, and the ash clinked together way to easy.

The stuff is nasty, I give anyone who burns Bit credit, I dont mean to offend anyone that dose but ill never burn that donkey crap again in my life......................


I thought bit was illegal in CT??



Really? Iv never herd of this....
Canaan coal man
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: A little cubby coal stove in the basement
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood #6
Coal Size/Type: Stove And Nut

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:29 am

Someone was talking about Bit coal and CT. a while back. IIRC, it was said that selling Bit coal in CT. is illegal, but using it is not.
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous
Other Heating: Oil furnace

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: fig On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:44 pm

Ok I'll scratch that stove off my list..lol. Would a Florence Hotblast be better?
fig
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Round Oak 1917 Door model O-3
Other Heating: woodstock fireview, enviro omega
Stove/Furnace Make: Propane


Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:13 pm

Yes, it was built specifically for Bituminous coal.
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous
Other Heating: Oil furnace

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:16 pm

SWPaDon wrote:Yes, it was built specifically for Bituminous coal.


And according to William's past posts, the hot blast parlor stoves do a very good job of it.

Paul
Sunny Boy
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: wsherrick On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:49 pm

fig wrote:Ok I'll scratch that stove off my list..lol. Would a Florence Hotblast be better?



Now you are on the right track. Either a Florence or a Radiant Home Hot Blast are the best designs for Bituminous.
Florence Hot Blasts were sold in the countless thousands over a 30 year period. They were hugely successful and popular.
So they are pretty common.
Make sure you get one that is complete and undamaged. Also get one that has the double heater option. For Bituminous you can't get better stoves anywhere than these.
Please keep us advised as to what you do or what you find. We are here to help all along the way.
wsherrick
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:02 pm

I love my hot blast, burns wood just as good..
grumpy
 

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: fig On: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:01 pm

Well I found a Florence hot blast but it was overpriced. I made an offer and was rejected, so I'll continue the search.
fig
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Round Oak 1917 Door model O-3
Other Heating: woodstock fireview, enviro omega
Stove/Furnace Make: Propane

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:34 am

Regarding burning Bit coal in CT......The only reference I have found is from Coaledsweat with no citations to law, ordinance or code. So being unable to sleep I researched it myself.

I did find the Ct. law stating that NO FUEL with sulfur content of over 1% by weight, not just coal, could be sold in Ct. WITHOUT a permit from the department. A dealer can sell fuel over 1% by weight to a user that is properly permitted by the Department of Energy and Environmental Protection. The law does provide for conditions where you can sell and burn any fuel with a content of sulfer over 1% by weight.

There are three power plants that I could find that burn bit coal in Ct. They ship it in from Indonesia. Seems it's cheaper to get it from them than from out west in our own country.

http://www3.epa.gov/region1/topics/air/ ... 508_19.pdf

As there are no active bit coal mines in Ct. and all bit has to be shipped in from outside the state. You can get and use what is rated as blacksmith coal but at $12+ a 50 pound bag,,,why would you want to do that?
blrman07
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Bucket a Day
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant Casting 2310
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Wood in the VC and anything that will fit in the Bucket a Day. It's not fussy.

Re: Burning bit in a base burner?

PostBy: fig On: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:52 am

That sounds like some kind of racket. It's around $90 a ton here isn't it?
fig
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Round Oak 1917 Door model O-3
Other Heating: woodstock fireview, enviro omega
Stove/Furnace Make: Propane


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