Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:24 pm

Stockingful,

The God of the bible does not tell you to murder unbelievers.

Bill S.
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:26 pm

BillMarti wrote:Devil,

I was waiting for a bite and proving that some people wrest with Gods word and wala look what came out of the wood work.
And what about the other scriptures I put out there I still waiting for a response on them. There are people that think they know scripture and this proves that point they don't

Bill S



Ponder these for a while:

Hickory, dickory, dock,
The mouse ran up the clock.
The clock struck one,
The mouse ran down!
Hickory, dickory, dock.

Jack and Jill
Went up the hill
To fetch a pail of water.
Jack fell down
And broke his crown
And Jill came tumbling after.

Mary had a little lamb,
little lamb, little lamb,
Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow.
And everywhere that Mary went,
Mary went, Mary went,
and everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:31 pm

Devil,

I take it that you are offended again.

Bill S
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:33 pm

BillMarti wrote:Stockingful,

The God of the bible does not tell you to murder unbelievers.

Bill S.


Sure it does:

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

and finally this verse gives reason for the crusades.

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

You can't be picking and choosing, Bill, if you want credibility.
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: steveyrock On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:35 pm

I try to stay away from subjects like this but it is entertaining.
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:39 pm

Children, children, children.............this discussion is like a soap opera.....no winners, but fortunately opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one! Day after day, year after year, century after century........such spirited discourse.

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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:43 pm

tvb wrote:* If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
* If a married person has sex with someone else’s husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 22:22
* Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced. Mark 10:1-12
* The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman’s period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.Leviticus 18:19
* If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir. Mark 12:18-27
* If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy’s genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

OK, Bill, let's start with these Bible quotes, generously assembled by Betsy ("tvb").

Do you believe them? Please comment on each.
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:46 pm

stockingful,

If you have a question I will answer.

Bill S
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:50 pm

Note the question mark in Jon's post, Bill. That usually denotes a question.
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:07 pm

BillMarti wrote:Devil,

I take it that you are offended again.




Not offended....... but there's no point is discussing anything further with someone who won't give me an HONEST answer my earlier straight question:
"You may be quoting directly from the Bible, but there are a tremendous number of passages YOU could have chosen to post in this thread. God didn't decide that one needed to be quoted here......YOU DID!
(be an honest man & answer stockingful's question: If it was not selected & intended as an insult to tvb, why did you select THAT ONE?......If it was meant as an insult...be a man & admit it!)"
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:16 pm

Devil,

In another post I stated to tvb that I would not respond to her abrasive quoting and disrespect of Gods Word which I hold very high. And yes I can answer the questions but I can't see anything good coming from it. And I explained 2x why I posted those scriptures. I don't understand what you want. So as I said I refuse to respond to her post why do you think I did. If you go back and look at any of my posts you'll see when I needed to address a particular person I did so.

Bill S.
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: tvb On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:37 pm

Actually, Bill, you said that in response to me to posting the "who we are " baloney from a site you cited in another discussion. It was the site that rejects science and things like gravity. There was no religious dogma in my post.

Why don't you just admit that you can't deal with a woman who is not only smarter than you, and more right than you but also isn't subservient to your misogynistic beliefs?

Edit to add link where Bill decided he couldn't hold a candle to my brilliance: Embryonic Stem Cell Research - Finally!
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: billlindley On: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:45 pm

tvb wrote:
BillMarti wrote:Stockingful,

The God of the bible does not tell you to murder unbelievers.

Bill S.


Sure it does:


A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



I would ask a question on TVB's post here. Simple enough question. How can a priest have a daugther? Is this another area where the bible is not the word of god but an area where early priest decided they would like to be able to marry and produce offspring? Therefore the man who wrote this section used his free will to enter that into the "word of god."

I guess this is jsut another example of where the "word of god" is confused with the "needs of man."

I would be interested in your response.
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:28 am

I'm not getting into this discussion except to say keep in mind the Bible is a series of stories (true or not is left up to you) passed down over many, many years and many translations as well. The current version probably most likely doesn't resemble anything of the original when they were first put down or the events actually took place.

Try this experiment sometime, get a crowd together of about of about 20-30 people. Say a sentence with a little complexity like "Joe the farmer from Ohio had 30 mature pigs and took them to Fred's market in New Jersey and got 5 dollars and 50 cents a piece for them except for the real old ones." ...and have everyone secretly tell the next person and they can only tell it to them once. You might be quite surprised at the end results. ;)
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Re: Did God Create Man Or Did Man Create God?

PostBy: billlindley On: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:39 am

Richard S. wrote:I'm not getting into this discussion except to say keep in mind the Bible is a series of stories (true or not is left up to you) passed down over many, many years and many translations as well. The current version probably most likely doesn't resemble anything of the original when they were first put down or the events actually took place.

Try this experiment sometime, get a crowd together of about of about 20-30 people. Say a sentence with a little complexity like "Joe the farmer from Ohio had 30 mature pigs and took them to Fred's market in New Jersey and got 5 dollars and 50 cents a piece for them except for the real old ones." ...and have everyone secretly tell the next person and they can only tell it to them once. You might be quite surprised at the end results. ;)


Hey man, did you here Joe the Plumber had 30 old plumber's and he used to only pay them minimum wage to work at Franks nursery? No no not all of them just the young ones. :D
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