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In my life, i have found that i rarely if never change my mind on issues. Maybe i am to bull headed or closed minded to certain things. I see things in black and white, right or wrong. no middle ground for me. Maybe that's why i don't usually argue on the issues, because i know the other person will never change my mind.

brckwlt wrote:

Jeddbird wrote:
I've read many things that have changed my mind. That's how you learn.

Are they things about god, and politics ... or things of a different nature?

I was just shaking down my strove, but I'm back.
I have learned about everything this way. I think it's callexd The Socratic Method.

Yup..from Wikipedia


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This article is about the philosophical method. For the House episode, see The Socratic Method (House).
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The Socratic Method (or Method of Elenchus or Socratic Debate), named after the Classical Greek philosopher Socrates, is a form of philosophical inquiry in which the questioner explores the implications of others' positions, to stimulate rational thinking and illuminate ideas.[1] This dialectical method often involves an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is pitted against another; one participant may lead another to contradict himself in some way, strengthening the inquirer's own point.

Socrates began to engage in such discussions with his fellow Athenians after his friend from youth, Chaerephon, visited the Oracle of Delphi, which confirmed Socrates to be the wisest man in Athens. Socrates saw this as a paradox, and began utilizing the Socratic method in order to answer his conundrum. Diogenes Laertius, however, wrote that Protagoras invented the “Socratic” method.[2][3]

Plato famously formalized the Socratic Elenctic style in prose — presenting Socrates as the curious questioner of some prominent Athenian interlocutor — in some of his early dialogues, such as Euthyphro and Ion, and the method is most commonly found within the so-called "Socratic dialogues", which generally portray Socrates engaging in the method and questioning his fellow citizens about moral and epistemological issues.

The term Socratic Questioning is used to describe a kind of questioning in which an original question is responded to as though it were an answer. This in turn forces the first questioner to reformulate a new question in light of the progress of the discourse.

that is to much for me to take in and way to much work to try during a discussion about something. Plus im not that philosophical.

Jeddbird wrote:The term Socratic Questioning is used to describe a kind of questioning in which an original question is responded to as though it were an answer. This in turn forces the first questioner to reformulate a new question in light of the progress of the discourse.

So if i ask you jeddbird, "how are you doing today" that now becomes the answer? This seems very strange and to far out there for me ... thats just my opinion, not saying it is wrong, im just lazy when it comes to discussions ...

brckwlt wrote:So if i ask you jeddbird, "how are you doing today" that now becomes the answer? This seems very strange and to far out there for me ... thats just my opinion, not saying it is wrong, im just lazy when it comes to discussions ...
that is to much for me to take in and way to much work to try during a discussion about something. Plus im not that philosophical.

Jeddbird wrote:The term Socratic Questioning is used to describe a kind of questioning in which an original question is responded to as though it were an answer. This in turn forces the first questioner to reformulate a new question in light of the progress of the discourse.

So if i ask you jeddbird, "how are you doing today" that now becomes the answer? This seems very strange and to far out there for me ... thats just my opinion, not saying it is wrong, im just lazy when it comes to discussions ...

I'm trying to just copy your last line only but when I highlight it & hit the "Quote" button, the whole post shows up?

Anyway, to answer this So if i ask you jeddbird, "how are you doing today" that now becomes the answer? This seems very strange and to far out there for me ... thats just my opinion, not saying it is wrong, im just lazy when it comes to discussions
That's way to deep for me.all I'm saying is that I learn the best by being able to ask questions & think about the answers, & then maybe ask more questions.

brckwlt wrote:In my life, i have found that i rarely if never change my mind on issues. Maybe i am to bull headed or closed minded to certain things. I see things in black and white, right or wrong. no middle ground for me. Maybe that's why i don't usually argue on the issues, because i know the other person will never change my mind.

I don't think you & I have ever discussed things before but I would agree with you that you are too bull headed & closed minded if you:" see things in black and white, right or wrong. no middle ground for me"...The world is much to complicated for that kind of thinking & unfortunately, there are way to many people that think the same way as you. Einstein regularly changed his mind on many issues & realized that the universe is complex. If you are just admitting to personality flaw, perhaps an adult college course or even counseling may be beneficial foro you??..... If you are saying these things as a source of pride, & that you don't want to change...then I just feel sorry for you & hope you have no authority over others in your occupation.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just making some observations.

Jeddbird wrote:all I'm saying is that I learn the best by being able to ask questions & think about the answers, & then maybe ask more questions.

that does make sense and maybe i should adopt that philosophy

brckwlt wrote:that does make sense and maybe i should adopt that philosophy

It is obvious to me that you are a legitimate coal heating person & not just a troll. (which I have been falsely accused of myself) I therefore reread your above post as not bragging but as a legitimate concern you may have about your decision making??? All I'll say is the world is a very complex place & if you hear answers that sound to simple......They are!

Think about things....re-think & listen to both sides.....but you really must LISTEN.

Sermon over!

Devil505 wrote: If you are just admitting to personality flaw, perhaps an adult college course or even counseling may be beneficial foro you??..... If you are saying these things as a source of pride, & that you don't want to change...then I just feel sorry for you & hope you have no authority over others in your occupation.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just making some observations.

i am admitting a personality flaw as you put it. not a source of pride.

brckwlt wrote:

Devil505 wrote: If you are just admitting to personality flaw, perhaps an adult college course or even counseling may be beneficial foro you??..... If you are saying these things as a source of pride, & that you don't want to change...then I just feel sorry for you & hope you have no authority over others in your occupation.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just making some observations.

i am admitting a personality flaw as you put it. not a source of pride.

Then you are not as closed minded as you think.

Best adbvice I can give you is to listen to both side of any issue & then decide which one makes the most sense.

Example..Politics
On any one issue do this:

Watch Fox news-You'll get the conservative/Republican spin
then:
Watch MSNBC (Keith Olberman) & you'll get the liberal/Democratic spin

Do the same thing with any issue......listen to both sides b4 you make op your mind.
Nothing in this world is ever simple or easy!

Devil505 wrote:
Think about things....re-think & listen to both sides.....but you really must LISTEN.

I think that not listening to other sides is a big flaw i have, i tend to block out what i dont believe in and tune out. this is something i know i need to work on.

Devil505 wrote:Then you are not as closed minded as you think.

well maybe 95% closed minded

brckwlt wrote:

Devil505 wrote: If you are just admitting to personality flaw, perhaps an adult college course or even counseling may be beneficial foro you??..... If you are saying these things as a source of pride, & that you don't want to change...then I just feel sorry for you & hope you have no authority over others in your occupation.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, just making some observations.

i am admitting a personality flaw as you put it. not a source of pride.

I think you don't give yourself enough credit. Take, for example, your learning curve as you try to make your new house a warm home. You've asked a ton of questions and took lots of advice to heart. Questioning and asking and learning doesn't necessarily have to be about dogma (though in many ways one can say that burning anthracite is kind of like a cult and thus involves dogma).

tvb wrote:I think you don't give yourself enough credit. Take, for example, your learning curve as you try to make your new house a warm home. You've asked a ton of questions and took lots of advice to heart. Questioning and asking and learning doesn't necessarily have to be about dogma (though in many ways one can say that burning anthracite is kind of like a cult and thus involves dogma).

well you are right, but i didnt come to the forum with a pre conceived notion as to what needed to be done or how to do it. or that i knew exactly what needed to be done.

i just take in everything everyone says and go from there

brckwlt wrote:well maybe 95% closed minded

Then you have some work to do. The only one being hurt by closing your mind...... is you.