I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:20 am

beatle78 wrote:
Freddy wrote:I'm hoping, if things go right, that I only have to handle coal one day each year. I have a good chance to build a bin that will hold 5 ton. Slant the floors to aim at the auger & with luck I never have to touch the coal all year after the bin is full. I burn 800 gallonsof oil a year now, so I'm figuring 4 1/2 to 5 ton of coal should do the trick.

Beatle, Why do you prefer the AHS over the AA?


I like the AHS b/c it is a gravity feed. I'm looking at it like a hopper boiler. All other hopper style boilers need a stoker, the AHS does not.

Also, I think the AHS is insulated, but the AA is not. Could be warm in the room if using it to heat HW during the summer.

Here is the A-A with the Jacket & insulated Option The isulation is 2" Fiberglass wraped around the boiler the jackets covers it http://www.axeman-anderson.com/anthratube.html
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:37 am

pret wrote:So the older AA's aren't insulated? Can they be insulated so that one could use it for domestic HW year around? Does anyone know the clearances for the older units say maybe 35 years old and older?

They are the same then as they are today They never change since they started in 1944 Look at the link you will see what they look like with the jackets on them the insulation is 2" fiberglass wrap on the boiler the jackets covers it The same as EFM's Van wert V&E Gentlemen janitor Bear O Matic losch Keystoker Yellowflame Crane Spencer AHS and a few other's I can't think of right now most of them where standard some where Optional

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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: Yanche On: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:58 am

coal berner wrote:Here is the A-A with the Jacket & insulated Option The isulation is 2" Fiberglass wraped around the boiler the jackets covers it http://www.axeman-anderson.com/anthratube.html
J.C., There's no way the photo shown can be an Anthratube coal boiler. It must be one of A-A's oil fired boilers. Just compare the Anthratube pdf sales literature and look where the flue openings and ash pit door would have to be in the photo.
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: 1975gt750 On: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:10 am

hello greg did you buy your keystoker ka-6 from mike at complete heat in nashua. i bought a kaa-2 from him and love it. if you have any questions on install let me know i had to do som excotic things to mine to get it to work properly with an oil burner. i live in hollis nh

chris
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:28 am

Yanche wrote:A-A boilers are not insulated, but insulation is a purchasing option. Very few were sold with the optional insulation.


I think Pete Axeman said they have sold a total of 4 insulated boilers in all the years it has been offered. Doesn't look to be a serious issue unless you are living south of the Mason-Dixon Line.
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: Freddy On: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:17 pm

I spoke to Pete Jr at AA today about the AA's not having an insulated jacket. Part of this is my thoughts, part his response to my questions: Insulation on an oil boiler makes sense as the flame is only burning when you ask it to. Keeping the heat in saves oil especially during the summer. A coal boiler the flame burns all the time. That heat has to go someplace. Keeping it in the boiler does not make it use less coal. As for the Axeman Anderson, it's one of the most efficient boilers out there and it's that way by design. By the nature of coal, it needs to burn a certain amount to stay lit. Pete said that the BTU's lost by not having a jacket is exactly the amount needed to rid the vessal of it's minimum heat required to keep the fire going. If you insulate it you'll then be inclined to try to make it burn less, which will lean it towards not maintaining the fire. During the summer you expect some loss. Open a window? During the winter it's all just heat in the house. Therefore I am not requesting a jacket.
Pete said the website was set up by someone else.... I got the impression it's not exactly as they might like it, but there it is. He is sending me a photo of it without the jacket (along with the owners manual) . I'll post the pic when I get it.
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: pret On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:49 am

Okay... not too worried about the lack of insulation now - thanks fellas. I figured I'd vent the extra heat out the garage. The boiler room will be adjacent to the wall between the house and the garage in the basement. I will have a window well in the garage that joins the boiler room in the basement to the garage... this is the location for the coal bin. The bin will be constructed with a minimum 45 degree floor equipped with a 6" pvc pipe to allow the coal to drop from the garage to into a 55 gallon plastic drum in the boiler room. The auger for the boiler will be in the bottom as I have seen others do on this forum. I'm hoping that this setup will minimize having to deal with the coal more once a year! I'll have to post pics when finished.
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: beatle78 On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:09 am

I'm sure this boiler is gonna rock!!!!

There's a bunch of us on here who will have stoker/auger boilers for the first time next year :)

plus you said you have a separate boiler room. Others suggest adding a window or a vent to the outside to let heat escape in the summer...... there's always a solution to every problem :D
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: coal-cooker On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:31 am

pret wrote:Okay... not too worried about the lack of insulation now - thanks fellas. I figured I'd vent the extra heat out the garage. The boiler room will be adjacent to the wall between the house and the garage in the basement. I will have a window well in the garage that joins the boiler room in the basement to the garage... this is the location for the coal bin. The bin will be constructed with a minimum 45 degree floor equipped with a 6" pvc pipe to allow the coal to drop from the garage to into a 55 gallon plastic drum in the boiler room. The auger for the boiler will be in the bottom as I have seen others do on this forum. I'm hoping that this setup will minimize having to deal with the coal more once a year! I'll have to post pics when finished.



Be careful having a window from the garage into the basement. Gasolene fumes are heavier than air and always settle to the lowest spots. There have been several explosions in garages from sparks and flames in the oil change pits.
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: beatle78 On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:52 pm

coal-cooker wrote:
pret wrote:Okay... not too worried about the lack of insulation now - thanks fellas. I figured I'd vent the extra heat out the garage. The boiler room will be adjacent to the wall between the house and the garage in the basement. I will have a window well in the garage that joins the boiler room in the basement to the garage... this is the location for the coal bin. The bin will be constructed with a minimum 45 degree floor equipped with a 6" pvc pipe to allow the coal to drop from the garage to into a 55 gallon plastic drum in the boiler room. The auger for the boiler will be in the bottom as I have seen others do on this forum. I'm hoping that this setup will minimize having to deal with the coal more once a year! I'll have to post pics when finished.



Be careful having a window from the garage into the basement. Gasolene fumes are heavier than air and always settle to the lowest spots. There have been several explosions in garages from sparks and flames in the oil change pits.


oh yah, I meant a window/vent from the boiler room to the outside. Not to the garage.
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: pret On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:38 pm

How could I vent the extra heat from the boiler room to the garage but protect myself from POTENTIAL gasoline fumes making their pokey way into the boiler room from the garage? The window well I mentioned will be lower than the garage floor - like a typical basement window well to the outside. I guess I could ensure that the garage is sloped such that any water or gas fumes would naturally flow out the bay doors. I could seal the window well - there isn't a window in it, nor will there be - around the 6" pvc pipe coming from the coal bin. Would that be safe enough?

The air in the boiler room will be warmer - much warmer than in the garage, will this keep potential fumes from going down into the boiler room?
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: coal berner On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:11 pm

Yanche wrote:
coal berner wrote:Here is the A-A with the Jacket & insulated Option The isulation is 2" Fiberglass wraped around the boiler the jackets covers it http://www.axeman-anderson.com/anthratube.html
J.C., There's no way the photo shown can be an Anthratube coal boiler. It must be one of A-A's oil fired boilers. Just compare the Anthratube pdf sales literature and look where the flue openings and ash pit door would have to be in the photo.

Well John that is what I thought until I called them They told me that it is the jacket for the Anthratube you have to remember that the AA as two ash doors on them one on each side the Photo does not show the right side if it did you
would see where the auger goes in and another panel for the ash door also at the left top of the jacket there is a hole for the flue the two handels on the front you would turn and lift the jacket off to see the viewing port door You can call them if you do not believe me :lol: 570-326-9114 They also told me they only ever sold a few with the Jackets because it is to hard to work on them with the jackets on you have to take them off So the next time you come up you oh me a Beer :lol:
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:26 pm

If you were to put an oil furnace in a garage they reccomend ( most places demand by law) that the boiler be up on blocks, fifteen inches off the floor. That is so any gas fumes won't get ignited by the burner. That being said, I'd think if you built a "dam", a 15" tall wall around the entance of that window that would keep cold air and fumes from wafting into the cellar.
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: coal-cooker On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:32 pm

Building a wall up around the window well may help, but I would still be worried. If you want this window opening to put coal through, I think it would be safest to close it up once done and not use it to vent out the boiler room. Some states also do not allow openings from the garage into the house due to co entering the house and many require a fire wall between the garage and the house. I would suggest a vent pipe directly to the outside if you want a vent.
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Re: I did it! Ordered my coal boiler

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:27 pm

I would do both the raised wall around the window-well opening, and a sealed cover over the opening. Then for venting the room, use forced-air ducting tricks,, use a space between wall studs as a duct, and put an in and out-vent duct from the garage to the basement boiler room.. Just make the vent openings to the stud space ducts up near the ceiling in the garage. Or as suggested, to the outdoors... under an eve would be a neat install.

Greg L

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