Bulk coal delivery protocol?

Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:01 pm

It is starting to remind me of a scene from Monty Python. :)
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: gambler On: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:56 pm

All that I can say is :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:44 pm

stockingfull wrote: But some kind of sliding scale to account for the different "packing factor" between grades would make sense to me, with the bigger sizes being less dense than the smaller, i.e., containing more air. But that's a guess.


This was mentioned in my first post in this thread complete with a picture to give you a visual. Smaller sizes require more space, now if you had a vibrator that may not be the case. Coal will lose volume over long distances in truck due to the vibration from the road. Roughly speaking I'd guesstimate rice would require about 3 more cubic feet per ton than nut. The density of the coal (e.g a piece of coal by itself) itself is also another factor but if you're getting your coal from the same place and they are processing the same type of coal all the time it won't change. ! ton of nut coal purchased at one breaker will not have the exact same volume of that purchased from another but it should be fairly close most places. The 40 cubic feet per ton is just a rough estimate.

Edit: just to add a typical breaker in my area is going to be producing coal that is about 10 to 11% ash, however there are places as low as 6% when you get down around Hazeleton. This type of coal is glass like and seamless its so hard and dense you can shatter a piece off and practically shave with it. You will see a significant change in volume between the 10% and 6%.
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: morrisfamily3098 On: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:25 pm

i buy it from a supplier where you have the option to bag it your self and weight in on his scale. ya i know how much i am payng for. i weigh in and out 220 a ton in CNY. i heard that i can get a bulk load from pa 20 ton min for about 85 a ton. so if i get shorted a little i am still making out. persuing that option this year.
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:30 pm

morrisfamily3098 wrote:i heard that i can get a bulk load from pa 20 ton min for about 85 a ton. so if i get shorted a little i am still making out. persuing that option this year.

Is that the cost per ton for delivery or the coal itself or both? Just curious as I don't think you can find anyone selling anthracite that cheap unless they are buying thousands of tons.
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:11 pm

Sounds like a "Hog-tale" to me. Whatever you are smokin', good luck, dude! :D :shock: :roll:

Close to Woodstock? Bad acid?
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:58 pm

Has to be bituminous coal.
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:22 pm

coaledsweat wrote:It is starting to remind me of a scene from Monty Python. :)
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:38 pm

morrisfamily3098 wrote:i buy it from a supplier where you have the option to bag it your self and weight in on his scale. ya i know how much i am payng for. i weigh in and out 220 a ton in CNY. i heard that i can get a bulk load from pa 20 ton min for about 85 a ton. so if i get shorted a little i am still making out. persuing that option this year.


185 a ton maybe
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Re: But why are the weights always rounded to the nearest 100th?

PostBy: snuffy On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:51 pm

The weight protocol brings up an interesting issue - why are each and every ticket rounded to the nearest 100th lb. Each and every year for at least the last 20 to 30 years we have never had an odd numbered weight ticket. I picked up at breakers and always wondered about it. Hell, ever try the stop a gas pump at a precise number?

Scales are certified in PA, but what is the allowance?
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:36 am

snuffy wrote:The weight protocol brings up an interesting issue - why are each and every ticket rounded to the nearest 100th lb


To save time and bookwork for everyone where I was getting my coal they would allow you X amount over. With the delivery truck just from experience you could easily get it close to the mark you wanted but you'd try and err on the side of more. Every time I left the breaker I was over by at least 100 pounds on a 5 ton load. The only time I'd have to mess around getting reweighed was if I was light. If I was over 2 or 3 hundred it was still marked at 5 ton. As long as you're dealing with reputable and honest people I wouldn't be concerned about the rounding as its going to be in your favor.

FYI if you're picking it up yourself they are required to have the scale weight visible to you. You can check it yourself which way they are rounding.

Scales are certified in PA, but what is the allowance?


I believe its a percentage, in any event first person that will know the scale is off is the delivery guys. They know exactly what X amount of coal looks like on their truck.
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: snuffy On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:12 am

Thanks Mayor!!

Curiosity satisfied. Education never hurt someone!!!

Snuffy
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: gtx71 On: Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:50 am

As long as you're dealing with reputable and honest people I wouldn't be concerned about the rounding as its going to be in your favor.


to bad it's hard to trust anyone any more.

tony b.
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: blau barrick On: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:28 pm

Not to beat a dead horse, but, why would breaker/operator give away product? I have hauled stone, sand, grain, etc. for years but never coal. When I get 6 ton of 2B stone at quarry weight slip reads 11980 or 12140 or 11860... you get the idea. To have 12000 over and over again is curious. But when I get my annual delivery of 6 ton rice its always 12000 on the nose. I think what other people and myself are asking is how can a cert. scale and licensed weighmaster generate slips that are not accurate. By the way I am not accusing my hauler of shorting me, I just find it strange to have a bulk delivery weight to be on the nose time after time
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Re: Bulk coal delivery protocol?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:23 pm

blau barrick wrote:When I get 6 ton of 2B stone at quarry weight slip reads 11980 or 12140 or 11860... you get the idea.


Well for one thing when they load a truck with stone it might be many hundreds of pounds one way or the other, again a coal delivery guy is going to be very close. Since you have such a low cost for the stone rounding isn't going to give you any benefit anyway since you still have to deal with cents in the final cost.

As far as giving away product there's so many factors there like water weight etc. suppose I go in the breaker with a nice clean truck get weighed and then ahve to drive through a big mud puddle.....
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