Are you still voting stupidly

Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:55 pm

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/22 ... lem-mosque

It's simple, they don't want it. Kick the DOJ out.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: tsb On: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:01 pm

I'm on the ZHB in my township. This is total bullshit. A 4-0 vote means the property didn't meet
the requirements for a variance. It wouldn't have been in front of the ZHB if it didn't need relief.
Even so, the next step is an appeal to the county court of common pleas. If the ZHB was found in
error they would get their variance, if not, the applicant would appeal to the state court and ultimately
the state supreme court. Why would the DOJ get involved at this level ? This is either a very poorly written
article or the DOJ is off the reservation.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:46 am

tsb wrote:I'm on the ZHB in my township. This is total bullshit. A 4-0 vote means the property didn't meet
the requirements for a variance. It wouldn't have been in front of the ZHB if it didn't need relief.
Even so, the next step is an appeal to the county court of common pleas. If the ZHB was found in
error they would get their variance, if not, the applicant would appeal to the state court and ultimately
the state supreme court. Why would the DOJ get involved at this level ? This is either a very poorly written
article or the DOJ is off the reservation.

I choose the latter.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:56 pm

I admire cn's candor about this case, but I think it's even simpler than that. Even if "they don't want it", freedom of religion in the U.S. is a right that AFAIK can't be unreasonably restricted by zoning board vote, or any other vote short of a successful amendment to the Constitution. If cn's summary is correct, it's DOJ's job to get involved. If the denial resulted from some type of defect in the application, the town will have an opportunity to explain that.

Mike
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:45 pm

I am all for moderation, so let's compromise. Thousands of Christian churches have been destroyed in the ME. So let us set goals. Every church that has been ruined has to be rebuilt by 2017 or else we nuke Mecca and blow up all mosques in the US. There is a compromise they will understand just fine. You can't win a war when only one side is fighting it.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:08 pm

You seem to think you can win a war of religious tolerance by being intolerant. I thought the British might have had time to reconsider that strategy by now. Are you still voting for that? One of the great things about the U.S. is that you can build and use a mosque or a temple or a replica Stonehenge or any other house of worship that you like. That freedom - backed by the First Amendment - is stronger than any explosive you might use to blow up somebody else's church.

Mike
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:24 am

Well I asked that french pastor who was dying with his throat cut that question but he expired before he could answer. The perps were instant national and international heroes. Would those accolades still be as as enthused if the local mosque was bulldozed the next day. Now All French churches are under watch as are British churches. Coming to a church near you very soon. Mike your naivete amazes but does not surprise me. Your stirring words made me throw up. Geeez. Ya see with these clowns an eye for an eye is he only thing that works. Let's make it universal, so if an Amish or Lutheran man does the same thing we respond the same way ... Religious intolerance ..... hahahahahahahhaa, damn I broke a rib.

First amendment ... oh, do we we honor those amendment things you know like the forth amendment that is under attack right now. You are remembering a country called the US that used to exist some time ago. The french are under attack and that will get worse until the average French male stops wearing this pink underwear on his head. Le Pen gets it, let's put her in charge.... I know, I am being extreme. So if the guy comes from a ME mosque let's put a cruise missile through the front door and then let's see how these "heroes" are treated in the future. I bet religious freedom will return real quick.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:30 am

coalnewbie wrote:http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/22/476372/US-Justice-Department-sue-Bensalem-mosque

It's simple, they don't want it. Kick the DOJ out.


One thing to be aware is PressTV is state run Iranian propaganda news agency that once ran an article with images of American soldiers raping Iraqi's.... only trouble is the images were from *censored* flick. They didn't even have American uniforms on, I'd be very careful about anything you read on that site.

As far as the mosque goes you need to apply the rules equally to all religions. Religious freedom is one of the things this nation is built upon, up until the point they are trampling on the rights of others that needs to be respected.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:50 am

coalnewbie wrote:Well I asked that french pastor who was dying with his throat cut that question but he expired before he could answer.


You can't have a war on Islam, there is 1.5 billion of them. You need to focus your efforts where it's going to make a difference, the war needs to be on radicalized Islamist's. To successfully prosecute that war you are going to need the help of people of the Islamic faith, matter of fact they are the ones that need to do it. You are not going to get that help or help them do it by alienating them. I suspect and hope that when this is all said and done people will be able to look back on the rise of ISIS as the tipping point, one thing to keep in mind is they are killing more Muslims that anyone else.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:01 am

Nice concept Richard but there is absolutely no progress on that front and they refuse to be assimilated. The best people to identify these radicalized people are already in the mosques. When you can point to teenagers attending muslim remediation classes I will modify my position. When a new version of the Quran comes out etc.etc.. You must remember a lot of these kids go to schools and have this rammed down their throats 8 hours a day. Infidels must die. They need guidance from CN to change .... yada yada yada barrel of a gun.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:19 am

The thought you can stop Islamic terrorists by banning Muslims is the same argument being used by gun grabbers who think you can stop gun violence by banning guns. Neither is a workable solution and both could make the situation worse.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:24 am

Pendulums swing... now look at Austria totally boarded up and NO muslims, Le Pens niece is joining the army and hates muslims a political move of course, a large motivation for Brexit was immigration. It is going to happen the easy way or the hard way. Controlled immigration is step one. However, I like your optimism but after a thousand years of failure perhaps an alternate idea can be tried.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/693 ... t-islamism
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: Pacowy On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:33 pm

Not interested in fighting a crusade for you. And I don't see how anything you're proposing would do anything other than foster more of the thing you supposedly are trying to stop.

Mike
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:48 pm

Pacowy wrote:Not interested in fighting a crusade for you. And I don't see how anything you're proposing would do anything other than foster more of the thing you supposedly are trying to stop.

Mike


You seem to have missed the word "controlled" in Simon's post. I would add "lawful" as well.
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Re: Are you still voting stupidly

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:54 pm

When we agree to disagree, might is all they respect. However, there is always the other side...

How dare they attack us for killing all their people and bombing their countries flat (psst, remember what NATO speadheaded by France did to Libya). These terrorists need to take it and not give it. The French military just killed 120 civilians in Northern Syria. That's terrorism. Talk talk talk, they'll bring in more muslims and jail anyone who criticizes Islam. Response must be merciless? Eh, like maybe politicians holding hands and crying together? Oh, I know stomping your feet while jumping on the flowers!

France is waiting for the muslim population to react and wholeheartedly condemn this terrorism. A march against terrorism by French Muslims maybe? You are either with us or against us and the time has come for them to show that they are with us. They need to understand that by their inactions they are further hurting themselves. Actions speak louder than words.......but so do inactions.

Major bummer about the guys throat.. but oh well.. What's for dinner, let's have a martini Mon Chéri.

Whether you like it or not EU is about to explode over this issue. Was it really worth destroying their lifestyle over some silly liberal ideas.
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